Military King Air Pilots Question
12-12-2011, 07:44 PM
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Military King Air Pilots Question
Hey guys....heard through the gravpevine that the US Military King Air 200's have a MTOW of over 15000 Lbs. And that they restricted it to 12500 for civilian use to keep it from needing a type rating (cheaper operating costs)
Any truth to this?
Any truth to this?
12-12-2011, 08:52 PM
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The military C-12's had the larger engine and 4-bladed props before the civilian B200's did. In CONUS, they operated up to 12,500. Outside of CONUS (not limited by FAA type certificate limitations) they operated over 12,500, but not over 15,000. At least that's how it was until the mid-90's when we gave them away to the Army. Don't know what the Army did with them.
12-13-2011, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by LivingInMEM
The military C-12's had the larger engine and 4-bladed props before the civilian B200's did. In CONUS, they operated up to 12,500. Outside of CONUS (not limited by FAA type certificate limitations) they operated over 12,500, but not over 15,000. At least that's how it was until the mid-90's when we gave them away to the Army. Don't know what the Army did with them.
The former USAF C-12F's were operated at 14,500 by the Army as soon as we got them (95-96). The RC-12's are a different story, they are a hybrid aircraft designed for the mission, and some of those will go well over 16,000.
Anyway, that's the way it was up until a few years ago.
12-14-2011, 06:45 AM
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I only flew C12s during the fixed wing course as I was a C23 guy. We all tried to get the type rating but the FAA had already cracked down on it. You will hear of guys who got typed straight away back in the day.
The Army does not care about any of that anyway. They fly the single pilot plane with two pilots as a standard mostly, at least for normal pax missions.
The Army does not care about any of that anyway. They fly the single pilot plane with two pilots as a standard mostly, at least for normal pax missions.
12-14-2011, 08:51 AM
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I'm heading to the MSP FSDO soon with my Army flight records and a copy of the Airworthiness Release stating the Army can fly C-12s up to 14000 lbs. I just want the type rating for the heck of it.
Off subject but for any Blackhawk pilots out there the FAA is now issuing a type rating, S-70, for all models of UH-60s. Alas my last flight was in 2007. You must have 10 hours in type within 12 months to get any type rating for military pilots.
Off subject but for any Blackhawk pilots out there the FAA is now issuing a type rating, S-70, for all models of UH-60s. Alas my last flight was in 2007. You must have 10 hours in type within 12 months to get any type rating for military pilots.
12-15-2011, 12:27 PM
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I flew Air Force C-12Fs at Osan, Korea in 95-96, just before they got rid of them and got C-12Js (Beech 1900 commuters). They had four-bladed props and 850 HP engines, and were certified to 14,000 lbs. Because we did have the over 12,500 lb weight I heard about guys getting their ATP in the SIM when we got trained at Flight Safety in Wichita. I believe they were actually awarded King Air 350 type ratings since, as you mentioned, the civilian King Air 200 is limited to 12,500 lb and therefore is not a type-rated aircraft. I really enjoyed flying the C-12F...it was a great little plane. We flew all over Korea and also flew to Japan. It actually had a LORAN for overwater flying--remember those?
Hope this helps...
Hope this helps...
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