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#11
I know this isn't the popular answer but oh well. If there is one thing I've learned in my time in the military, it's that no one cares about you, but you. Do what's good for your family and yourself. Be a good bro in the sq, be upfront about your end goals and you should be gtg.
Caveat...I'm a little more jaded about the comfort and safety of the full time gig. I, and a few friends, have been on full time orders, that suddenly disappeared, and put us on the street with no back up option. In our case, all it took was a leadership change for things to be shaken up a bit. Lucky for me, I was single at the time. For the married guys, times were tough for a while. I'm now back in a full time gig, but I have less trust in its safety net and have an airline gig, just in case.
While this is going on, all our part-timer friends that had gotten their airline jobs, helped out. They have all been sitting pretty good, while we all take huge paycuts and sit at the bottom of a list. With sequestration and potentially more cuts (especially in the fighter community) I'm not as confident as I once was in the guard.
Personally, I would take the gig, continue to apply to the airlines and then make a decision. Most likely, by the time you get hired by an airline your 2 years will be up anyway. Trust me, big blue will not hesistate to cut those orders short if it benefits them.
As highdsight says, "have it your way." You've given your country 10-12 years their way. That's more than 99% will ever do, so serve on your own terms now. Having said that, if/when you go to the airlines/FedEx, don't be the guy that uses the "well...I make less money when I come to the mil/deploy," line. Get your sorties, deploy when it's time and enjoy the most fun job in the world.
Also, unless you're a patch, I would take a look at why a Hog unit has a full time AGR that they can't fill within the squadron. Nothing against you, but those are generally highly sought after by guys in the squadron. Some squadrons use them to attract talent, which is good. But in some squadrons that may mean an underlying issue in the squadron. Talk to the part-timers...especially the ones that used to be full time.
Goodluck.
Caveat...I'm a little more jaded about the comfort and safety of the full time gig. I, and a few friends, have been on full time orders, that suddenly disappeared, and put us on the street with no back up option. In our case, all it took was a leadership change for things to be shaken up a bit. Lucky for me, I was single at the time. For the married guys, times were tough for a while. I'm now back in a full time gig, but I have less trust in its safety net and have an airline gig, just in case.
While this is going on, all our part-timer friends that had gotten their airline jobs, helped out. They have all been sitting pretty good, while we all take huge paycuts and sit at the bottom of a list. With sequestration and potentially more cuts (especially in the fighter community) I'm not as confident as I once was in the guard.
Personally, I would take the gig, continue to apply to the airlines and then make a decision. Most likely, by the time you get hired by an airline your 2 years will be up anyway. Trust me, big blue will not hesistate to cut those orders short if it benefits them.
As highdsight says, "have it your way." You've given your country 10-12 years their way. That's more than 99% will ever do, so serve on your own terms now. Having said that, if/when you go to the airlines/FedEx, don't be the guy that uses the "well...I make less money when I come to the mil/deploy," line. Get your sorties, deploy when it's time and enjoy the most fun job in the world.
Also, unless you're a patch, I would take a look at why a Hog unit has a full time AGR that they can't fill within the squadron. Nothing against you, but those are generally highly sought after by guys in the squadron. Some squadrons use them to attract talent, which is good. But in some squadrons that may mean an underlying issue in the squadron. Talk to the part-timers...especially the ones that used to be full time.
Goodluck.
#12
Gets Weekends Off
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I would agree up to a point. That point is about 45 years of age. At that point you're phasing out of the military unless you're on the fast track (or maybe work for a state with no HYT).
I was assuming he's a JO in early to mid 30's based on the info provided.
Also there is certainly reason to believe that the high miltary/airline opportunity ratio of the last decade is about to invert in the next 1-3 years as DoD budget cuts roll in and airline retirees roll out.
That's the "timing and luck" part I was alluding to. It's all about when you get on that roller-coaster, hopefully it's going up, but I agree with your assessment.
I wouldn't bet on military job security unless you're a SOF operator or some other high-demand, hard-to-fill niche (submarines?). Winged guys are a dime a dozen (bakers dozen) when the cutbacks start.
Great point. But I would bet on the military before the airline industry based on my own personal experience.
I lived through the last drawdown...when it comes, it will make your head spin how fast it happens.
I've been through the last couple drawdowns, it's not pretty, but was nothing compared to 2 furloughs and a bankruptcy IMHO.
I was assuming he's a JO in early to mid 30's based on the info provided.
Also there is certainly reason to believe that the high miltary/airline opportunity ratio of the last decade is about to invert in the next 1-3 years as DoD budget cuts roll in and airline retirees roll out.
That's the "timing and luck" part I was alluding to. It's all about when you get on that roller-coaster, hopefully it's going up, but I agree with your assessment.
I wouldn't bet on military job security unless you're a SOF operator or some other high-demand, hard-to-fill niche (submarines?). Winged guys are a dime a dozen (bakers dozen) when the cutbacks start.
Great point. But I would bet on the military before the airline industry based on my own personal experience.
I lived through the last drawdown...when it comes, it will make your head spin how fast it happens.
I've been through the last couple drawdowns, it's not pretty, but was nothing compared to 2 furloughs and a bankruptcy IMHO.
#13
Not sure if it's feasible in a fighter unit, but can you eek out a living troughing? Not a bad way to live for a while as long as there is work for you. You have to be realistic about it though...it WILL require some belt tightening vs. Active Duty. On the plus side, you have near total control of your schedule and don't have to feel the least bit bad if United calls you with a class date tomorrow.
#14
On Reserve
Joined: Feb 2013
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I think I need to echo the sentiment of what others have said here -- for years and years we've operated under the assumption that the guard and its retirements will always "be there", but with the cuts that are coming down, there's no sacred cows anymore.
Even the military pension and healthcare is being questioned. Sure, it may not be a serious threat in 2013, but the mere fact that it's being discussed is simply the first step. Discussion leads to debates, and debates lead to actions.
Even the military pension and healthcare is being questioned. Sure, it may not be a serious threat in 2013, but the mere fact that it's being discussed is simply the first step. Discussion leads to debates, and debates lead to actions.
#16
Prime Minister/Moderator

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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
But I think any changes will only apply to those who first join up after the effective date. I can't conceive as to how they could retro-actively cancel retirements for those who are past twenty, or even those who more than say 5 years in service.
Over time we might see watered down retirement pay and medical bennies though.
#17
One of the recent proposals, required you to have 15 yeas in to stay under the "old" 20 yr pension program. I'm not sure of the details of the rest but it was pro-rated as your years of service went down.
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