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Not angry for turds getting the boot for being turds.
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
(Post 1551024)
... the only people I know of who were hurt by this were rapists and drug dealers.
Originally Posted by Sputnik
(Post 1551024)
I have no official knowledge of the case, but I was able to discover some of his disciplinary violations. He wasn't too bright, and made a continuous series of bad choices.
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
(Post 1552386)
I know a lot of cadets who were angry to discover there were informants among them. I have yet to meet one who knew him that thinks Thomas got kicked out for anything but what he deserved.
He's laid all his cards on the table. USAFA has yet to put out any real info (other than incorrect dates) to discredit Thomas. I still have an open mind regarding whether Thomas deserved dismissal or not, but I think an objective assessment leans in his favor. Regarding OSI tactics... If they want a man inside, use one of their own... Though I doubt he could handle passing as a cadet, even a dirtbag one. Janitor maybe, but not a cadet... :p |
Originally Posted by Spur
(Post 1552492)
So what was Thomas, a rapist or drug dealer?
Oh nevermind... So far as I know he was neither. Which is why he isn't in any legal trouble. He got kicked out for disciplinary violations running the gamut from banal to damn near legendary. I agree that USAFA has not made it's case, and I don't think it ever will. As far as I can tell, they never release details of why a cadet is booted if it's not a legal issue. Not sure if it's privacy act or what. Actually, I don't think they ever say someone was kicked out (again, minus legal cases). You leave with a transcript without a degree, and your discharge has a characterization with dictates whether you'll be able to serve in the military again. We're never going to see his records, so I don't think you'll get the satisfaction of a true objective assessment I have yet to find anyone "hurt" by this that I can feel sympathy for. But, I feel as though I somehow made myself defender of this program, certainly wasn't my intent. So I'm bowing out of the discussion. Spur--PM sent. |
Originally Posted by vyperdriver
(Post 1552380)
Having escaped from that institution of higher learning in 93 when virtually everyone who wanted to attend pilot training was shown the door with explanation that needs of the A F come first many of my classmates decided and did leave the USAF as soon as was possible as the full picture of the unidirectional nature of loyalty became fully realized. I was fortunate to work my way back into flight school, but after 20 yrs of service I can't legitimately make a case for keeping the school open. I met and worked with hundreds of fine officers that didn't attend. Honestly I'd be a fan of closing the whole school and put the savings in to new airframes.
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Originally Posted by Spur
(Post 1552189)
Except Cadet Thomas was not accused of any wrongdoing by the OSI (except maybe <gasp> underage drinking?), if the Gazette piece is accurate.
He was kicked out for misconduct which was actually part of his OSI effort. Funny how USAFA waived his enlisted service commitment. Air Force informant program More info: Gazette confirms former Air Force Academy cadet's account Interesting reading...Thanks for posting... |
I can't believe this craziness. I had no idea this was all going on while I was there. Guess I was really boring as a cadet!
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