Seminole vs 737 Type/ATP
09-03-2014, 04:15 AM
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Recently finished my ATP/737 type up in Denver at Flight Training International. Highly recommended. The price is right for the classic sim. It is 8 days long and you use sims in the United training facility across the street from the FTI office. All of the instructors I had were former military pilots and current United pilots out of Denver. The first day is an 8 hour ground school, followed by 6 days of sims, with your checkride on the 8th day. Again, very professional guys who just enjoy teaching and telling stories. You don't need the NG unless you really want to spend more money. Another guy there was a SWA new hire and he was doing his type on the classic since SWA told him they don't care.
09-03-2014, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
What do your contacts say at the major airlines, the ones that are going to help you get hired? If you don't have these, it's probably going to be pretty tough to get hired without 121 currency and experience. The type, while probably fun, won't really help much and you'll get a type at a regional no matter what, exactly which one won't matter that much to the major airline, they just want to see you are trainable so they won't be wasting their time giving you a type ride. Many pilots consider a type rating without experience to be a detriment to hiring, but I doubt HR departments really think into it as much as pilots do.
09-10-2014, 03:26 AM
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100 hr in 12 mos hard and fast?
Has anyone heard if there is a bias against those of us who have been flying a desk and only have the 8 hours to get an ATP? Best i can tell, United seems okay with it, but Delta and AA like "current and qualified pilots". My retirement check will be nice, but there is no way I can pay for 100 hours in the near future! 
Thanks
Av8r
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Av8r
09-11-2014, 01:09 PM
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sailingfun: Only my wife thinks I'm untrainable! LOL 
On a serious note, AV8R, in the same boat as you. Just talked to an AA Capt this afternoon and he basically said the same thing. His recommendation was Atlas, L3 ISR, or anything with wings and two engines on it. You dropping your letter soon?
On a serious note, AV8R, in the same boat as you. Just talked to an AA Capt this afternoon and he basically said the same thing. His recommendation was Atlas, L3 ISR, or anything with wings and two engines on it. You dropping your letter soon?
09-11-2014, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jal362
On a serious note, AV8R, in the same boat as you. Just talked to an AA Capt this afternoon and he basically said the same thing. His recommendation was Atlas, L3 ISR, or anything with wings and two engines on it. You dropping your letter soon?
09-14-2014, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BetterCallSaul
Recently finished my ATP/737 type up in Denver at Flight Training International. Highly recommended. The price is right for the classic sim. It is 8 days long and you use sims in the United training facility across the street from the FTI office. All of the instructors I had were former military pilots and current United pilots out of Denver. The first day is an 8 hour ground school, followed by 6 days of sims, with your checkride on the 8th day. Again, very professional guys who just enjoy teaching and telling stories. You don't need the NG unless you really want to spend more money. Another guy there was a SWA new hire and he was doing his type on the classic since SWA told him they don't care.
So, did you get any "good vibes" as to if a 737 type helps or hurts? I too am looking to finish my ATP at FTI. Glad you had a good experience.
09-14-2014, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pilot141
Waay back in the day...I applied about 18 months before I could get out.
I got called by AA to interview 11 months before I could get out. The guys in my pilot interview session looked at my paperwork and said "Why are you here?" I said "Because you asked me to be here."
Bottom line, I got hired by AA, then worked a Palace Chase to get out early. I was on the property while on regular leave, and 6 months earlier than I had planned on.
During those 6 months AA bought TWA. By having my **** in early, and someone at AA screwing up, I jumped about 2300 seniority numbers.
There is no such thing as applying too early.
I got called by AA to interview 11 months before I could get out. The guys in my pilot interview session looked at my paperwork and said "Why are you here?" I said "Because you asked me to be here."
Bottom line, I got hired by AA, then worked a Palace Chase to get out early. I was on the property while on regular leave, and 6 months earlier than I had planned on.
During those 6 months AA bought TWA. By having my **** in early, and someone at AA screwing up, I jumped about 2300 seniority numbers.
There is no such thing as applying too early.
So, theoretical question here. Let's say someone still had 4 or so years on their UPT commitment, but was looking to pull chocks early, but obviously with no guarantee it will be approved. Should he/she still put in apps?
09-15-2014, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by JJackson124
So, theoretical question here. Let's say someone still had 4 or so years on their UPT commitment, but was looking to pull chocks early, but obviously with no guarantee it will be approved. Should he/she still put in apps?
The general timeline is to start seriously prepping one year before you can get out - getting times/logbooks in order, radiotelephone operator's permit, driver's license background check, etc. All that misc BS that takes up time.
If you meet the mins now, and could possibly be out inside of a year then by all means start throwing in apps. But realize that if you do NOT get the early out, you will have to maintain and update all of those apps for the next four years. Keep updating flight times, keep your FAA medical current, etc. The one thing that will surely put you down at the bottom of the pile is to let an app languish and not be updated.
But if you get denied the early out, the "why do you have an app on file with us for almost 5 years?" will be a good question in the interview.
Good luck.
09-15-2014, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by CruisenAv8r
Has anyone heard if there is a bias against those of us who have been flying a desk and only have the 8 hours to get an ATP? Best i can tell, United seems okay with it, but Delta and AA like "current and qualified pilots". My retirement check will be nice, but there is no way I can pay for 100 hours in the near future!
Thanks
Av8r
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09-15-2014, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by pilot141
If you get the early out, how soon will you know? If it is a matter of months, then you need to start getting your crap in order.
The general timeline is to start seriously prepping one year before you can get out - getting times/logbooks in order, radiotelephone operator's permit, driver's license background check, etc. All that misc BS that takes up time.
If you meet the mins now, and could possibly be out inside of a year then by all means start throwing in apps. But realize that if you do NOT get the early out, you will have to maintain and update all of those apps for the next four years. Keep updating flight times, keep your FAA medical current, etc. The one thing that will surely put you down at the bottom of the pile is to let an app languish and not be updated.
But if you get denied the early out, the "why do you have an app on file with us for almost 5 years?" will be a good question in the interview.
Good luck.
The general timeline is to start seriously prepping one year before you can get out - getting times/logbooks in order, radiotelephone operator's permit, driver's license background check, etc. All that misc BS that takes up time.
If you meet the mins now, and could possibly be out inside of a year then by all means start throwing in apps. But realize that if you do NOT get the early out, you will have to maintain and update all of those apps for the next four years. Keep updating flight times, keep your FAA medical current, etc. The one thing that will surely put you down at the bottom of the pile is to let an app languish and not be updated.
But if you get denied the early out, the "why do you have an app on file with us for almost 5 years?" will be a good question in the interview.
Good luck.
Thanks for the 411! As far as when I will know, it all depends on when the next VSP is. Rumor is that there will be one coming up. Whether I'm eligible or not is a different issue altogether. I'm sure this question is posted elsewhere, but is there a sort of "checklist" for getting your sh*t together In regards to the airlines? Maybe a timeline? Seems pretty overwhelming if you ask me...but worth it.
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