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Grumble 11-25-2015 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2016657)
:confused: What??!!

They're doing what our leadership is to weak to do.

trip 11-25-2015 07:27 AM

Reports saying Assad forces rescued the downed Co-Pilot and he has RTB. Co-Pilot stated they know the area like the back of their hand and were not over the border (that angle strip is 1.85mi wide). Also stated that no warnings issued visually or over the radio.
Glad one made it home.

Missing Russian jet pilot 'alive and well' in Syria - BBC News


http://sputniknews.com/russia/201511...violation.html

FDXLAG 11-25-2015 08:10 AM

Our military disagrees with the fencer pilot on both the track and the warnings. Multiple warnngs, too many to count were reported.

block30 11-25-2015 08:13 AM

I was listening to NPR in the car yesterday, and they reported there was video of the Turks shooting at the pilots while they were in the silk, and one of them was killed....so isn't there evidence now of a war crime?

UAL T38 Phlyer 11-25-2015 08:38 AM

Allegedly, the shooting was done by Turkmen rebels in Syria.

Turkmen are ethnic Turks who live in northern Syria. Some observers believe the Russians were bombing them, since they are anti-Assad, but Turkey is secretly allied with them.

This border incursion was a flimsy excuse to engage and cover Turkey's true rationale.

And yes, shooting at someone in a parachute is a war crime....assuming you can hold an abstract body such as "rebel group" accountable.

Or if we even subscribe to the notion that somehow, the waging of war can be made "civilized."

USMCFLYR 11-25-2015 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 2016826)
I was listening to NPR in the car yesterday, and they reported there was video of the Turks shooting at the pilots while they were in the silk, and one of them was killed....so isn't there evidence now of a war crime?

Were the people shooting at them signatories to Protocol 1 of the 1949 Geneva Convetions?
Doubtful.

Tanker-driver 11-25-2015 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2016778)
They're doing what our leadership is to weak to do.

Propping up a savage dictator by indiscriminately flinging unguided weapons everywhere Daesh is not? I won't argue our strategy isn't flawed but Putin is no one to get all damp in your panties over.

John Carr 11-25-2015 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 2016824)
Our military disagrees with the fencer pilot on both the track and the warnings.

For now......

How many times was the story/narrative altered or changed by our government over the air strike that hit the hospital? Or over other events for that matter?

NOTHING is what it seems till the facts are revealed. Especially when you factor in all the sides, factions, and frenemies involved in this one.

FDXLAG 11-25-2015 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2017012)
For now......

How many times was the story/narrative altered or changed by our government over the air strike that hit the hospital? Or over other events for that matter?

NOTHING is what it seems till the facts are revealed. Especially when you factor in all the sides, factions, and frenemies involved in this one.

Could be I heard the warning on the tube today. It sounded an awful lot like the warnings we used to get from our side in Korea when we were playing in the DMZ. Both governments are acting like thugs in Syria. Russia is bombing Turkey's allies because they are attacking Russia's allies. I am shocked that the Turks were a little over protective. As far as the shooting at chutes; one guy lived and the other aparently was killed on the ground, if there was shooting at chutes it wasnt very effective.

tomgoodman 11-25-2015 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 2017035)
Both governments are acting like thugs in Syria.



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