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ItnStln 01-06-2017 03:28 PM

Army National Guard Fixed Wing Questions
 
I am looking to join the Army National Guard and becoming a pilot. The states that I am looking at are West Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. Each of those states has fixed wing units from what I saw online. What I would like to know is how does one become a fixed wing pilot in the Army National Guard? It seems like most of the pilots are rotary wing, so I am not sure the process to fly fixed wing versus rotary wing.
From what I found online, the fixed wing units are:
West Virginia
C-12C: Parkersburg (OSA Det 28) and Bridgeport (Fixed Wing Army National Guard Training Site)
C-23: Bridgeport (Fixed Wing Army National Guard Training Site)
C-26: Bridgeport (Fixed Wing Army National Guard Training Site)
Maryland
C-12F: Aberdeen Proving Grounds (OSA Det 13)
Pennsylvania
C-12: Fort Indiantown Gap (OSA Det 22)
C-23B: Fort Indiantown Gap (Det 1 F Co 192nd Avn)
Virginia
C-12F: Sandston (OSA Det 26)
The list seems outdated as it still has the C-23, so if anyone has any newer information, please let me know. From what I read the C-23 was retired, so what replaced it?
Also how do deployments work for fixed wing pilots?
My goal is to become a widebody Captain at a legacy airline before I retire. Currently I have zero flight experience outside of Microsoft Flight Simulator, but I enjoy aviation. I am not looking to become a fixed wing pilot in the Army National Guard just to get the flight experience however! In the past I spoke to some Army National Guard pilots who enjoyed their jobs, and did it to take a break from their civilian jobs for a couple of days. Any additional input would be appreciated as I am open to any and all input/criticism.

Ohlsan 01-06-2017 03:33 PM

Normally you got through the rotary wing school and fly helicopters until you prove yourself, then you apply for the fixed wing Det when they have an opening. I got put in a Det after volunteering for a fixed wing deployment, and have been in the Det ever since.

ItnStln 01-06-2017 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by Ohlsan (Post 2276027)
Normally you got through the rotary wing school and fly helicopters until you prove yourself, then you apply for the fixed wing Det when they have an opening. I got put in a Det after volunteering for a fixed wing deployment, and have been in the Det ever since.



Thanks for the information! How do deployments work for fixed wing pilots? Do you deploy under a division, ARCENT, or CENTCOM? Also I'm looking to go in as a Commissioned Officer, but would a Warrant Officer have a better chance at becoming a fixed wing pilot?

Ohlsan 01-06-2017 03:38 PM

If your goal is to make it to the majors, I would look into the Air Guard, you will have a much better chance and will get your time a lot faster.

Ohlsan 01-06-2017 03:41 PM

There are very few fixed wing jobs for commissioned guys in the ARNG, most Dets have 4 warrant officers, and no commisoned. Some of the training units you posted about do have commisoned pilots though, just not a lot. You normally deploy as a Det and work for the aviation brigade. It all depends on the deployment

ItnStln 01-06-2017 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Ohlsan (Post 2276030)
If your goal is to make it to the majors, I would look into the Air Guard, you will have a much better chance and will get your time a lot faster.

The Air Guard people I've spoken to said I'd need a PPL to be competitive, and I'm 28 so I was told I'm too old.


Originally Posted by Ohlsan (Post 2276033)
There are very few fixed wing jobs for commissioned guys in the ARNG, most Dets have 4 warrant officers, and no commisoned. Some of the training units you posted about do have commisoned pilots though, just not a lot. You normally deploy as a Det and work for the aviation brigade. It all depends on the deployment

So if I want fixed wing look at WO? Also did anything replace the C-23? How hard is it to get an instructor job?
Thanks again for your answers!

Ohlsan 01-06-2017 03:53 PM

Nothing replaced the C-23, it takes about 2 years of flying the c12 to get to the IP course. The problem I see is getting to the C12, it takes time and it's hard to say you will ever get in a fixed wing Det. You may get in right away and you may not get in at all. It comes down to luck and timing. I got lucky that they needed someone to deploy so I did. I then got lucky again when we returned from the deployment and had a couple guys retire so I was able to stay in the unit and go to the IP course. The good news is if you get in the flying is great and you can average 340+ hours a year of king air time if you are available to fly.

ItnStln 01-06-2017 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Ohlsan (Post 2276038)
Nothing replaced the C-23, it takes about 2 years of flying the c12 to get to the IP course. The problem I see is getting to the C12, it takes time and it's hard to say you will ever get in a fixed wing Det. You may get in right away and you may not get in at all. It comes down to luck and timing. I got lucky that they needed someone to deploy so I did. I then got lucky again when we returned from the deployment and had a couple guys retire so I was able to stay in the unit and go to the IP course. The good news is if you get in the flying is great and you can average 340+ hours a year of king air time if you are available to fly.

I'm sure you're right, timing and luck are everything! Is the 340+ hours you mentioned in a full time capacity, or m-days? I'm just trying to gather as much information as possible before calling another recruiter, so thank you for answering my questions!

Ohlsan 01-06-2017 04:16 PM

Full time I average 380 a year, as a part timer, in a good unit, you will be able to fly as much as you want. But I would plan on 300-400 a year if your trying.

Ohlsan 01-06-2017 04:30 PM

If I was you I would skip the recruiter and call directly to the units. The FWAATS guys are great and I'm sure if you asked they would give you a tour and answer any of your questions.


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