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Everyone needs to relax. The Biden administration says it's only transitory and they seem pretty on the ball.
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Originally Posted by Stryker172
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Everyone needs to relax. The Biden administration says it's only transitory and they seem pretty on the ball.
Plus we're transitioning to a green economy. We must all do our part by buying $80K electric cars, turning off the AC, and not travelling more than 100 miles from our homes ever again. It's for the earth. |
Originally Posted by Stryker172
(Post 3434304)
Everyone needs to relax. The Biden administration says it's only transitory and they seem pretty on the ball.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
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That will definitely reduce the price of new houses. I have already seen some houses in my affluent area with significant price cuts. One cut their price from $875,000 to $825,000. Back two years ago, similar houses were selling for $500,000 to $600,000.
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
(Post 3442747)
That will definitely reduce the price of new houses. I have already seen some houses in my affluent area with significant price cuts. One cut their price from $875,000 to $825,000. Back two years ago, similar houses were selling for $500,000 to $600,000.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
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It will definitely reduce the price of EXISTING houses. New houses? Maybe not. Inflation is affecting their labor and material costs as well.
With 6% mortgage rates, double the 3% where they were a few months ago, they have slammed on the brakes for buying existing and building new houses. I was talking with one of the loan officers at my bank today. (Major, well known bank.) She said that is exactly what they are seeing and forecasting. The flaw in your logic is that costs + desired profits = sales price. Not correct. If they want to build, the prices have to be competitive with the existing housing markets. Their profits have bulged. Now they will shrink. |
Originally Posted by TransWorld
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Their profits have bulged. Now they will shrink.
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Originally Posted by panpanpan
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I think what is more likely is that their profit margins were more or less the same as costs/prices went up. And now that demand is falling they won’t be able to build houses cheap enough to make a profit, and will stop building altogether. That is why home starts are permits are declining.
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
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The officer at the bank yesterday said the reason was consumers were “pulling back their horns”. When interest rates go from 3% to 6% as they have in the past year, the mortgage payments have almost doubled. That is why home start remits are declining. Do I believe her or do I believe you?
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
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Neither reason necessarily excludes the other. Potayto, Potahto.
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
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I respectfully disagree with you. What I indicated is the predominating reason, per people in the business. They did not indicate your reason predominated.
I’m not saying that rates doubling didn’t cut demand. It obviously has. What I am saying is that home builders costs went way up with inflation, which is why the prices of new homes surged. Just because prices went way up does not mean their profits exploded, because the costs went way up too. Now that demand is cooling, while inflation/costs remain high, the profits margins are not great enough to warrant building new homes. That is why housing starts have declined. I’m not sure why you are saying I am incorrect. This is another aspect of it. |
Originally Posted by TransWorld
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I respectfully disagree with you. What I indicated is the predominating reason, per people in the business. They did not indicate your reason predominated.
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
(Post 3442747)
That will definitely reduce the price of new houses. I have already seen some houses in my affluent area with significant price cuts. One cut their price from $875,000 to $825,000. Back two years ago, similar houses were selling for $500,000 to $600,000.
Originally Posted by Excargodog
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It will definitely reduce the price of EXISTING houses. New houses? Maybe not. Inflation is affecting their labor and material costs as well.
Of course, it's location, location, location. I live in a very low tax state with lower than average housing costs (in spite of 20+% increase in the last year and previous years also increased considerably). The high tax state people are flocking here. And while mortgage rates sound high at 6.5%, that's still below the current inflation rate. |
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