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mooneymite 04-21-2018 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver (Post 2577308)
The Chief Pilot KNOWS about it. The Standards captain I recently flew with KNOWS about it. Everybody in the fleet KNOWS about it. They don’t dare fire him because they know he will sue.

Are there 70 year olds at NJ that can run rings around me? Probably. But a mandatory retirement age is an unfortunate but NECESSARY mechanism to get rid of the intellectually dishonest pilots who continue to lie to themselves and others that they can still do the job. Some CAN’T.

No. That is unjust to lump everyone together based on an arbitrary age.

We need to fix the screening processes... medical exams, sim checks, pro-standards and chief pilots are not doing the jobs they were designed to do. Fix that.

Don't terminate capable pilots just because some XX (pick an arbitrary age) year old pilot has issues.

When I was a young man, people judged certain others incompetent because of the color of their skin. It was a lot easier than judging them on their merits/demerits...but unjust.

Yes. Picking some arbitrary age is easier. Let's pick 38.

CA1900 04-21-2018 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by mooneymite (Post 2577219)
... my part time (7/7) job ...

That's always rubbed me the wrong way. 7/7 is not a part time job when the days are 12-14 hours long. Seven 12-hour days is 84 hours, which averages out very much to full-time, or more if you're on the 14/10 hell cycle.

BuckeyeFO 04-21-2018 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by mooneymite (Post 2577347)
No. That is unjust to lump everyone together based on an arbitrary age.

We need to fix the screening processes... medical exams, sim checks, pro-standards and chief pilots are not doing the jobs they were designed to do. Fix that.

Don't terminate capable pilots just because some XX (pick an arbitrary age) year old pilot has issues.

When I was a young man, people judged certain others incompetent because of the color of their skin. It was a lot easier than judging them on their merits/demerits...but unjust.

Yes. Picking some arbitrary age is easier. Let's pick 38.

So your argument is that all the domestic 121 carriers have it wrong, and the fractionals/91/135 have it right?

121 Carriers: Highest level of safety, training, security and the absolute best safety record in the world.....all have it wrong.

91 and 135 - "we know what is best, please disregard our safety record"

pugpilot 04-21-2018 03:58 PM

What he's saying is that it shouldn't be arbitrary.

Like corrected 20/20 vision (arbitrary)
Limits on blood pressure (arbitrary)
flight time minimums for licensing and to be hired (double arbitrary)
At least 23 to get an ATP (arbitrary)
standards on checkrides (arbitrary)

oooooh, but an age limit to increase safety is where we should draw the line.

You have guys in the NJA Union leadership saying that nearly half of the over 65s are on medical leave. Doesn't sound very arbitrary.

Jetlife 04-21-2018 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by BuckeyeFO (Post 2577399)
So your argument is that all the domestic 121 carriers have it wrong, and the fractionals/91/135 have it right?

121 Carriers: Highest level of safety, training, security and the absolute best safety record in the world.....all have it wrong.

91 and 135 - "we know what is best, please disregard our safety record"

Yup, and those who want to be able to hire wet commercial ERAU wonders back into the right seat of commercial airliners are no different than the the crusty dinosaurs pushing for no 65 rule.

mooneymite 04-21-2018 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by CA1900 (Post 2577349)
That's always rubbed me the wrong way.

7 days off every other week is fantastic. I get to practice retirement.

The 7 days on can be a grind, but I've never found it onerous.

I know a percentage of NetJets guys think we work very hard, but I'm guessing they've never had some of the jobs I have where we worked 12 hours every day it didn't rain, made minimum wage and NEVER got 7 days off.

Flyfalcons 04-21-2018 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by mooneymite (Post 2577347)
No. That is unjust to lump everyone together based on an arbitrary age.

We need to fix the screening processes... medical exams, sim checks, pro-standards and chief pilots are not doing the jobs they were designed to do. Fix that.

Don't terminate capable pilots just because some XX (pick an arbitrary age) year old pilot has issues.

When I was a young man, people judged certain others incompetent because of the color of their skin. It was a lot easier than judging them on their merits/demerits...but unjust.

Yes. Picking some arbitrary age is easier. Let's pick 38.

Wasn't your career advancement at your previous job based on an arbitrary mandatory retirement age? Were you pushing for gummers to stay on until they die in the cockpit as you moved up the ranks and pay scale?

Jetlife 04-21-2018 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by mooneymite (Post 2577418)
7 days off every other week is fantastic. I get to practice retirement.

The 7 days on can be a grind, but I've never found it onerous.

I know a percentage of NetJets guys think we work very hard, but I'm guessing they've never had some of the jobs I have where we worked 12 hours every day it didn't rain, made minimum wage and NEVER got 7 days off.

That’s great that back in your day you had to go to work uphill in the snow both ways and you had to hand crank your car blah blah blah blah blah. Just because the most arguous work conditions are worse than a typical Tuesday at NJA doesn’t mean that it’s easy. If you compare NJA to the median pilot as far as workload, it’s not even fair.

tm602 04-21-2018 06:10 PM

Cognitive testing with the medical!!!!

GeeWizDriver 04-21-2018 06:13 PM

What F’ING age ceases to be “arbitrary”? 65? 70? 103?

The existing mechanism to weed out the sick and the dying is totally inadequate so YES! We need a MANDATORY RETIREMENT AGE.

Sorry if that hurts mooney. The truth usually does.


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