oh please go for it, do Netjets a favor, go after our own, come on do it.

That does certainly seem to be the new strategy. Much like the 2.5x extension and HBA giveaway prior to negotiating, a strategy I don’t understand.

Again with the deflection. I will continue to remind you that you made the post claiming that the union has had to walk back many blatant lies. You have been asked on multiple occasions for what those lies (plural) were. You offered one example, but will not point to the retraction. You refuse to say why you will not offer any more examples beyond that you provided a singular example. Your response is to tell me to read the messaging coming from the union. I have. I don't see the pattern you say is there. Please educate me because I am clearly too dense to see it.

I would like to know if there is a pattern of lying from the union board. However, I will not simply take your word for it, and one example does not prove a pattern.

I haven't and won't agree with everything the union does. However, I have no reason to believe they are acting in bad faith. If you have evidence of that (because, after all, that is what you have claimed), I'm all ears. Until then, I'll keep my thoughts about other actions from the union seperate to this little back and forth. The focus here is on your claim. You have done little to refute that your statements are anything but some good old FUD.

How about the union going after the new hires saying they don’t have enough experience, yada yada.

Then there was an outcry of why are we going after our own…..

Well that’s not exactly what we were saying….. Right Got it.

Again, nice try. You're fishing for "lies" and trying to generate debate about the direction of an ad that rubbed some people the wrong way. If you want to use that topic, show me the factually incorrect data in the ad and the retraction of the lie. I'm not debating whether or not the ad was a good idea, nor whether or not it went after the new hires. I'm not debating how the ad could be or was interpreted by the reader. You claim blatant lies. Show us the lies. I'm sure you are going to claim, well you wanted another example and I gave you one. But once again you example is not a clear blatant lie. Why are you not presenting evidence of an undeniable blatant lie? If the board has a history of such blatant lies, I'm sure you have at least one example that is clearly a blatant lie that was retracted. Can we at least have that one? Not one that you can't, or won't, point to the retraction. Not one that the "lie" is subject to interpretation of intent. Point us to at least one that is factually incorrect and where it was retracted. It shouldn't be that hard if the board is guilty of what you accuse them of.

Also, you made the claim before this ad was run, and you chose this one to further your point that there is a history of blatant lies coming from the union board? Seems like you may not have the well of examples you claim.

get off ypur knees! Your blowing njasap hard.

Lol ok bro. This is your first go around. I’ve done this for a while. We aren’t the same.

I certainly never said we were the same. While this may be my first bargaining cycle at Netjets, but you have no idea what my background is. But since you have been around for awhile, why not educate me? I'm not going to sit here and take your word for it just because you've been around before. You still haven't answered why you won't expound on your claim that the union leadership is telling many blatant lies. That's a pretty big claim that I think deserves a little more explanation.

I've definitely have my issues with the union and some of it's volunteers. I certainly don't agree with everything they are doing, and won't agree with everything in the future.

What I have a bigger problem with is someone making a claim that the union leadership is intentionally misleading the members, but not presenting the vast evidence they claim to have. If it's true, then I think it needs to be addressed beyond an anonymous message board. Without the evidence, it's pretty suspicious that someone showed up to make these anonymous claims during contract negotiations.

USA Today Ad:

Now that union leadership has mastered 20th century media, maybe at Omaha '24 they can work on 21st century media. Does anyone even read USA Today or the WSJ that was born after video games were invented.