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tm602 09-05-2024 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 3833674)
Thats an overweight landing. Landing over your max certified weight. It's a non event in every jet I have flown, although I do not have any time in a Phenom. I'm not faulting the crew, they did a great job in bringing it back on one engine, it's just that the thinking now with this scenario is to take the overweight landing and get it on the ground as soon as possible. Especially with a long, dry runway.

Max landing weight limits are for normal operations, not emergencies.

Boeing builds better than Embraer light jets. I have flown both and had an overweight landing the 737 due to a fuel problem and it was just a writeup, deferral of the associated componenets and fairly short inspection. RTS same day. That Phenom is different. I've about 1000 hrs in it and it didn't instill much confidence in me insofaras strength goes, although the gadgetry is decades better than the B17, er, 737.

Sliceback 09-06-2024 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by tm602 (Post 3834904)
That Phenom is different.

You're not kidding. Ex-airline guys are amazed that the brakes were actually certified. The 'Phenom swerve' is a real thing on landing. Worse than the early 767-200's which were also a treat. Early 757's before the correcting the brake valve shuttling were interesting at slow speed/brake pressure....like stopping at the jet bridge. :-0

Avoiding the 'Phenom swerve' is a small step for mankind, but a giant step for the pilot landing.

It has a 3 G limitation. Airliners are 2.5 G's. Is the airframe actually stronger? IDK.

PointBreak 09-06-2024 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by tm602 (Post 3834904)
Boeing builds better than Embraer light jets. I have flown both and had an overweight landing the 737 due to a fuel problem and it was just a writeup, deferral of the associated componenets and fairly short inspection. RTS same day. That Phenom is different. I've about 1000 hrs in it and it didn't instill much confidence in me insofaras strength goes, although the gadgetry is decades better than the B17, er, 737.

Never flew a Embraer jet but the main reason behind max landing weight is to increase the amount of landings between heavy checks. At least that’s what Boeing says

MinRest 09-06-2024 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by PointBreak (Post 3835056)
Never flew a Embraer jet but the main reason behind max landing weight is to increase the amount of landings between heavy checks. At least that’s what Boeing says

Depends on the load at touchdown and the weight, but there are varying degrees of overweight landings and an overweight/hard landing, most times it’s a writeup and sign off after checking the touchdown G.

AA717driver 09-06-2024 01:45 PM

Lose an engine and an overweight landing inspection is the least of your problems. I landed a GIV overweight in Vegas once. (I put too much gas on at SNA. Who knew they used RWY 08...EVER?) It was only a couple hundred pounds. Gulfstream downloaded the G loading and it was a non-event.

I'd land overweight in a Phenom without a second thought. We (Flex) can do single engine taxi but, I'd probably take the tow after clearing the runway. Just to be safe.

tm602 09-13-2024 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by PointBreak (Post 3835056)
Never flew a Embraer jet but the main reason behind max landing weight is to increase the amount of landings between heavy checks. At least that’s what Boeing says

That's right, its about landing gear and airframe life, not damage.


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