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Old 08-24-2024 | 10:14 AM
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Default NJA Phenom 300 Engine Failure @ SFO

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Fairly heavy with 7 total on board and over 4000lbs of fuel. N337QS.

They were heading to Jackson Hole, WY which was one of my favority airports to fly into. I didn't get to see it that much since I was based in the Eastern USA and didn't get out west very often.

They cleared runway 28R and then asked for a tow. If I remember correctly (big if) single engine taxi wasn't in the ops specs hence the tow request. I had meant to ask in RGS if we could single engine taxi in this event, especially if at a small airport with no tugs. But I never did find out.
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Old 08-24-2024 | 02:25 PM
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And not a word from the company about it. Shocker.... 🙄
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Old 08-27-2024 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
https://youtu.be/U3Mq_sUN5Wo

Fairly heavy with 7 total on board and over 4000lbs of fuel. N337QS.

They were heading to Jackson Hole, WY which was one of my favority airports to fly into. I didn't get to see it that much since I was based in the Eastern USA and didn't get out west very often.

They cleared runway 28R and then asked for a tow. If I remember correctly (big if) single engine taxi wasn't in the ops specs hence the tow request. I had meant to ask in RGS if we could single engine taxi in this event, especially if at a small airport with no tugs. But I never did find out.
Only to position the airplane to avoid tailwind starts when you have a quartering tailwind.
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Old 08-27-2024 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
https://youtu.be/U3Mq_sUN5Wo

Fairly heavy with 7 total on board and over 4000lbs of fuel. N337QS.

They were heading to Jackson Hole, WY which was one of my favority airports to fly into. I didn't get to see it that much since I was based in the Eastern USA and didn't get out west very often.

They cleared runway 28R and then asked for a tow. If I remember correctly (big if) single engine taxi wasn't in the ops specs hence the tow request. I had meant to ask in RGS if we could single engine taxi in this event, especially if at a small airport with no tugs. But I never did find out.
Well, if you declare an emergency then you can do what you need to do to accomplish the task. Since SFO had a tug available then that's the best course of action. If you are in the middle of nowhere then taxiing to the ramp on one would be prudent if conditions permit. Captains authority and all that.

Not sure why they needed to burn fuel to land underweight. Overweight landings are a non event as long as you don't exceed the vertical speed limits. Most jets that's 300 to 400 fpm. Safest course of action is to get on the ground.
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Old 08-31-2024 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cactusmike
Not sure why they needed to burn fuel to land underweight. Overweight landings are a non event as long as you don't exceed the vertical speed limits. Most jets that's 300 to 400 fpm. Safest course of action is to get on the ground.
Not disagreeing but what is the max landing weight used for then? If they were pretty full going out might have needed to come down 600 lbs or so to get under that? But yeah, one engine isn't a great experiance especially if you've had a failure in one already (can be a common cause sometimes).
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Old 08-31-2024 | 05:43 PM
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Crew was nice and calm. Well handled. Remember, fuel in hours and minutes.
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Old 08-31-2024 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dynap09
Not disagreeing but what is the max landing weight used for then? If they were pretty full going out might have needed to come down 600 lbs or so to get under that? But yeah, one engine isn't a great experiance especially if you've had a failure in one already (can be a common cause sometimes).
Thats an overweight landing. Landing over your max certified weight. It's a non event in every jet I have flown, although I do not have any time in a Phenom. I'm not faulting the crew, they did a great job in bringing it back on one engine, it's just that the thinking now with this scenario is to take the overweight landing and get it on the ground as soon as possible. Especially with a long, dry runway.

Max landing weight limits are for normal operations, not emergencies.
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Old 09-01-2024 | 04:00 AM
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Delaying landing to get down to max landing weight? I'm Phenom 300 qualified and that's the first time I've heard of that. The overweight landing inspection took about 30 minutes on a w/b and was never an issue. Airliners are certified to 600 FPM at max landing weight and 360 FPM at max takeoff weight. IDK what the corporate jet certification limits are but I've never seen a Phenom 300 landing approaching 300 FPM at touchdown. They're typically very nice as it's an easy to land jet.
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Old 09-04-2024 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MstrAv8r
Crew was nice and calm. Well handled. Remember, fuel in hours and minutes.
ATC wants to know fuel in TIME. Fire department that will respond to the emergency landing on the ground wants to know fuel in POUNDS. They want more information on fire potential. Give ATC both.
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Old 09-04-2024 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
ATC wants to know fuel in TIME. Fire department that will respond to the emergency landing on the ground wants to know fuel in POUNDS. They want more information on fire potential. Give ATC both.
I always thought time over water, pounds over land.
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