Chris99

It's not my "opinion" that the regional model/whipsawing/pilots who are willing to work for peanuts and have low self-worth/management greed have dragged our industry down for the last 10+ years--it's fact. Of course I can't weed out the people with this mentality; I was simply exercising wishful thinking and trying to make a point. It's not that he "disagrees" with me that I would like him to vacate his job; it's that he created the appearance that he has accepted management's lie of what he is worth and he is embarrassed when others point this out in a public forum. Stop buying into management's lie that your low-paying job is a "stepping-stone" to bigger and better things while management rakes in the money people! Grab some self-worth and fight for the compensation and QOL that your training, responsibilities, and skills are worth.

Swedish Blender

Pilots get paid what they negotiate.

Ludicrous Speed

In addition to all of your other FLAGRANT grammatical blunders, that's one misspelled word, twice in the same thread. I suspect that it isn't even a misspelling and has more to do with you not even knowing how to pronounce the word.

Since you now want to make this a urinating contests, go and quote those offending posts of mine to this thread and we'll do a side by side comparison. As others have said of themselves, my spelling and grammar aren't perfect. However, common mistakes on occasion is nothing when compared to your repeated and egregious mistakes.

Or, just keep blaming your iPhone.

idlethrust

One misspelled word?? Really??? GET OVER IT ALREADY!!
Who hasn't made a mistake before?Big friggin' deal dude.Oh I forgot,youre perfect.
You type real fast and miss a key or hit the wrong one,who cares?? This isn't what the original post is about.

TBucket

Except they're not allowed to actually negotiate... RLA and all that.

idlethrust

Yes congress has been discussing this since 2009,as you say, and what has changed ?We are in 2015 now.The industry is changing,slowly but for the better not because of congress or pilots complaining to passengers that they aren't making enough money.It's changing because of supply and demand.Regionals and fractionals need pilots badly right now and the pool is quickly drying up,forcing them to raise pay and offer bonus money to get qualified people through the door.It has nothing to do with making a donkey out of yourself by telling passengers regional pilots are underpaid.Fact is,passengers don't care and they will continue to fly whichever airline gets them to their destination the quickest AND cheapest.PERIOD.
I will be willing to bet you that same guy that was throwing regional pilots under the bus,never ONCE went into his company's CEO'S office and complained to him about the pay.I will bet you he never had a sit down with his MEC chair and let him explain how such a crappy contract was ever voted in.I will bet you he never tried to organize a strike?He said he worked for ASA for seven years and never made more than 30k.After a quick look at their pay scale for 5,6 and 7 year fo's, with the monthly guarantee and average per diem,i found that hard to believe.So now that he left asa ,and is now at Netjets,which is only a slight step up from a regional,why belittle your fellow pilots to the paying public?I cant understand it.Complain and ***** to someone that can do something about it.Uncle Joe and aunt Mary traveling home to nc for a family reunion cant.The pay isn't where it should be but its definetly headed in the right direction,and if we all stick together and support each other it will continue to improve.They will not have a choice.I know a lot of pilots that do very well,they know how to manipulate the system to their advantage.Some have additional sources of income from side jobs or a side business.So,you never really know what a person is making,you can only assume but you don't know and you will never really know.Also,just so you know,this post isn't about a typo,or an accidently misspelled word or two.Thats not important.Stay on the subject.

idlethrust

Pilots vote in the union leadership.The union leadership negotiates the contracts.Just like people who complain about senators and the president but never vote.Your vote is your voice.You vote them in,you don't like the job they are doing,vote them out.Simple!!

idlethrust

You shouldn't have an s after contest..o perfect one.

B727DRVR

Wow Idle!

You really are out of touch on that one.... Netjets only slightly better than a Regional?!?! Please tell me a Regional that is anywhere near the pay QOL, and benefits of Netjets pilots. Netjets is the industry standard of pay and QOL that certainly Regional Pilots and LCC's should be striving for. A Netjets pilot on a 7/7 schedule is only working half the year, with travel being part of their paid, on-duty time. No, they are not fighting for a jumpseat or trying to use one of their ID'90's, they are Platinum members of that airline's frequent flyer program because they are PAYING PASSENGERS, like the one sitting next to them, and have a right to say just about anything they want. They get crew meals, airline miles, rental car points, hotel points, etc. and that isn't even part of their salary, which while might not reach major levels, they aren't flying 90 hours a month either. In fact, many Netjets pilots are former "airline pilots" who turned down recalls and you couldn't pay them to go back to that rat race (in their opinion). Netjets pilots, if calculated by flight hour is phenomenal, and they are still getting paid watching ESPN at the FBO or riding around discovering the town in the crew car. They don't have to work a side job, or manipulate the system and fly their butts off, their Contract does that for them which, by the way, was negotiated by the same pilot who negotiated the United Contract 2000.

As far as the Netjets pilot speaking out on the overall sweatshop conditions in the Regional segment... God Bless him/her!!! It's about time people shine a light on the dirty little secret that the airlines don't want their passengers to know.... People used to assume that you were rich if you wore an airline uniform.. Better that the truth comes out. Before Contract 05, Netjets passengers wrongly assumed that their pilots were the best paid out there and were shocked by the pay and working conditions that Netjets pilots endured flying the some of highest profile passengers on the planet. By letting their passengers know this truth by informational picketing Wall Street, Berkshire Hathaway HQ, and the Kentucky Derby banner tow fly by, they were able to affect change by embarrassing their Management. Now, by letting their passengers know the truth, Netjets pilots have some of the most enviable pay, schedule, QOL, etc. All by shining the light on a dirty little secret.

If the Regionals are proud of their compensation packages, they should own it, brag about it, etc. And as far as walking into the CEO's office to discuss said Regional sweatshop salary, good luck with that.... They are off flying as a passenger on a Netjets flight, flown by well-compensated Netjets pilots. When I saw something bad happen in aviation, I tell every Flight Attendant, Gate Agent, Mechanic, Pilot, Van Driver, etc. because the word does get around, and eventually the truth sets you free. The sweatshop wages and QOL (Compared to the Majors) should be on every newspaper, evening news, and on flyers outside of UND, Embry Riddle, etc.

Netjets is a career destination, and if it is only slightly better than a regional as you assert, I have yet to see one Netjets pilot leave for a Regional. I really don't get how you can possibly say that...

SpaceShipEarth

7 year F.O. Pay at ASA=$39,789/yr.

A 7 year F.O.was likely furloughed for 17 months a year into is employment after making 17K first year (pro rating training pay for 3 months).

A 7 year F.O. At ASA had a 2.5 year upgrade when hired. As of late, that same pilot is still 250+ from upgrade (2+ years at current rate).

Per Deim is for food.

Over time can't be controlled when you are on reserve until year 7.

Overtime is frowned upon when you are in contract negotiations.

Working the system shouldn't be required.

Needing a side job to make a decent living IS the problem.

A pilot talks to his employer about salary through the union. ASA voted down the last TA in dramatic fashion.

They then recalled the reps for even sending the TA to the pilots to begin with.

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I believe that you overheard a NetJets' pilot answering questions a passenger had.

I believe you when you say he talked about pay and QOL.

I severely doubt he was being that loud.

I bet you only heard him because you were right behind him and were actively paying attention.

I don't believe for a second a former ASA pilot was bashing the pilot group he just left but was only explaining the realities of the system and path pilots endure hoping to strike gold in this career.

I do believe that you have provided so much detail on his identity that it is without question who this guy is while cowardly hiding behind the anonymity of your screen name. (Is this not against terms and conditions of this forum moderators?)

I do believe you are a spineless piece of work deserving of a 3am sock party.

May this career bring you everything you deserve and more... Seems like most here feel the same.