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ClarenceOver 04-02-2014 04:03 AM

How is someone going to underbid an EAS route that doesn't matter if it is empty or full?

What 04-02-2014 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by ClarenceOver (Post 1614951)
How is someone going to underbid an EAS route that doesn't matter if it is empty or full?

Because you have to bid EAS routes, GLA normally wins bids because their bids are lower than other airline with larger T-props or RJ. Someone like Cape Air could underbid lakes.

USMCFLYR 04-02-2014 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Sushi (Post 1614872)
With that said, I don't support Lakes circumventing the rules that apply to everybody else. It isn't fair, it isn't right and is totally bogus. But that broad statement is always so annoying, to say the least.

Hopefully the majority of that post shed some light on actual ZK ops. I've enjoyed reading this Lakes thread and felt like finally adding some facts to it.

Sushi -

Thanks for the clarification.
I have one question though - and you dispel the rumors/conjecture of some other posts - but then say the same thing yourself.

GLA isn't circumventing the P121 rule - they changed/added/modified the certificate correct? They operate those P135 flights under the same rules that any P135 operate.
They complied with the restrictions/conditions that came from the FAA. They generated a P135 airline and are compliant with all regulations concerning P135 rules correct? any other regional P121 airline out there could do the same IF they were willing to live with the requirements.

If we (the forum members) are going to complain about issues at GLA and get information out there about the pay, QOL, interview prep, and whatever else - - at least let's be accurate about that information.
GLA spun off a P135 airline to stay alive for some amount of time. Only time will tell if it will be successful.

iflythewest 04-02-2014 08:11 AM

The management of Great Lakes Aviation, Ltd. (the “Company”) has determined that the Company is unable to file its Form 10-K Annual Report for the period ended December 31, 2013 within the prescribed time period, without unreasonable effort and expense. Management needs additional time to accurately evaluate and disclose the risks and circumstances pertaining to the Company, including the Company’s non-compliance with a leverage ratio covenant in its credit agreement with GB Merchant Partners, LLC and Crystal Capital LLC, and the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern. The Company expects to file its Form 10-K Annual Report for the period ended December 31, 2013 by April 15, 2014.
New Federal Aviation Administration (“FAA”) pilot qualification rules imposed as part of the Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010 in combination with revised FAR Part 117 (Flight Crew Member Flight and Duty Limitations and Rest Requirements) pilot rest and duty time rules, has created a shortage of qualified pilots and negatively affected our operations and financial condition.
The lack of available pilots to hire has caused the Company to curtail operations and reduce capacity in the fourth quarter of 2013, and is expected to continue into 2014 or until the Company can hire and train a sufficient number of pilots. The curtailment of operations has had a negative impact on revenue, operating income and liquidity. As of December 31, 2013 the Company was not in compliance with a leverage ratio covenant contained in our senior credit facility’s credit agreement.
On March 18, 2014, the FAA granted the Company authority to operate our Beechcraft 1900D aircraft in a restricted operational configuration which has allowed us to hire pilots under FAR Part 135. The significance of this change is that it now enables the Company to rebuild pilot staffing levels. The Company believes that this authorization has improved its ability to hire new pilots. The Company requires additional time to analyze the impact of this change and make adjustments to forecasted operations.
Until the Company is able to re-staff qualified pilots, in sufficient quantity, it is expected that the Company will not have sufficient forecasted liquidity to service our existing debt obligations which raises substantial doubt on the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern. We are engaged in discussions with the lenders of our senior credit facility and are pursuing additional or alternative sources of financing.

Sr. Barco 04-02-2014 08:43 AM

Wow. If everyone refuses to even apply to this dirt bag carrier they should be toast by year end.

Do you have a link to this?

Windsor 04-02-2014 08:52 AM

Sounds like the buzzards are circling

zondaracer 04-02-2014 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Sr. Barco (Post 1615097)
Wow. If everyone refuses to even apply to this dirt bag carrier they should be toast by year end.

Unfortunately, I know a handful of guys who aren't anywhere near 1500TT and don't want to instruct and view GL as their way to bypass the new ATP rule.

andreas500 04-02-2014 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by Sr. Barco (Post 1615097)
Wow. If everyone refuses to even apply to this dirt bag carrier they should be toast by year end.

Do you have a link to this?


http://investing.businessweek.com/re...Type=NT%2010-K

Sr. Barco 04-02-2014 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by andreas500 (Post 1615110)

Thanks for that. Very interesting. We all knew they'd be the first casualty.

iflythewest 04-02-2014 09:31 AM

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...2989dnt10k.htm


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