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JasonR 01-24-2020 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by pellfdavis (Post 2963070)
My question to the community, which isn't immediately answerable, is how long will Wheels Up use two different pilot pools? Since Wheels Up bought DPJ, will they really need GAMA too much longer?

I can’t directly answer the question, but the King Air and CJ/XL don’t exactly have the same mission profile. There are plenty of others in the WU pay info thread who have made predictions about the future as related to the acquisition of both DPJ and TMC.

EMAW 01-24-2020 11:47 AM

The answer is yes, GAMA will be needed for the foreseeable future. There are 90+ KingAirs in the fleet that must still be flown. The KingAir goes places that neither the XL or the X, or many other jets for that matter can go legally. The partnership has done 2 things. 1. It has increased the lift availability for WU. 2. It’s allowed Delta to take a step back without totally backing out of the private market. Both brands should thrive.

Now, I’m not going to prognosticate on what will happen down the road, but these partnerships are solid for the time being.

UhOhItsTheFiveO 03-27-2020 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by pellfdavis (Post 2963070)
Phone screen with a DPJ Captain this morning. Was asked what I knew about the company. This immediately led to talk about the merger with WU. Followed by a couple of HR questions, then more talk about the company, lifestyle, benefits, pay etc.

The biggest unknown for the pilots, from what the CPT explained to me, is that everything is s rumor and no one knows for sure what things will look like in a year.

I specifically asked about the merger being with WU and not GAMA (WU pilots). I was told no one knows if DPJ will compete for seniority with the GAMA pilots, if the pay scale will change (similar, but not exactly the same), etc. The CPT said the pilots were caught by surprise that this was happening.

The pilots will no longer have the Delta privileges, but at the same time will be able to fly any airline to work and keep the miles. Plus that leaves more options for airports for home-basing- not tied to Delta only.

Currently hiring for the Citation XL and Citation Jet. Training contract is prorated for two years. 1st year FO is 58K, 3-4K pay raise annually. once CPT, pay is 96k. $45/day per diem while on the road (added to your pay check). 14 hour day with progressive rest cycle (call ops when you're done for the day, turn off phone, turn it back on 12 hours later to learn about the day's mission- 2 hours from that point to be ready to go). Minimum CPT hours is 3000 and plan on 18-24 months upgrade time. That being said, if you already have the hours, and say you're number 4 on the seniority list (and have the 18 mos), but the 3 FOs ahead of you don't have at least 3000 hours, you would get the nod for captain.

Additionally, if DPJ hires you (for a jet), you will not become a WU King Air pilot. You are being hired for the jet.

My question to the community, which isn't immediately answerable, is how long will Wheels Up use two different pilot pools? Since Wheels Up bought DPJ, will they really need GAMA too much longer?

I too recently had a phone screen and this was word for word how it went. Just waiting to hear TBNT or you're moving on for an interview. If I get the interview, does anyone have a lead on what it entailed? I haven't been able to find much on a DPJ interview recently. Thanks. 5-0.

BuddhaPilot73 03-27-2020 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by UhOhItsTheFiveO (Post 3013627)
I too recently had a phone screen and this was word for word how it went. Just waiting to hear TBNT or you're moving on for an interview. If I get the interview, does anyone have a lead on what it entailed? I haven't been able to find much on a DPJ interview recently. Thanks. 5-0.

Expect to sit down with HR and the CP or DO at a minimum. Typical questions from HR were TMAT, your leadership/followership beliefs and style, and conflict resolution scenarios. CP did more of a technical and asked me to brief a SID, STAR, and Approach that he chose. The rest of the questions were about specific things on those plates and controller phraseology for STARS and SID’s. He also brought out the TEB Rudy 6 and ILS 06 and asked questions about the high bust areas on those.

UhOhItsTheFiveO 03-27-2020 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by BuddhaPilot73 (Post 3013764)
Expect to sit down with HR and the CP or DO at a minimum. Typical questions from HR were TMAT, your leadership/followership beliefs and style, and conflict resolution scenarios. CP did more of a technical and asked me to brief a SID, STAR, and Approach that he chose. The rest of the questions were about specific things on those plates and controller phraseology for STARS and SID’s. He also brought out the TEB Rudy 6 and ILS 06 and asked questions about the high bust areas on those.

Thanks Buddha! Much appreciated!

Username here 03-29-2020 04:31 PM

What airframe are new hires being assigned? Do they inform you of the airframe with the job offer?

BuddhaPilot73 03-31-2020 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Username here (Post 3016544)
What airframe are new hires being assigned? Do they inform you of the airframe with the job offer?

I’m not core fleet, but my understanding is XL and CJ. There’s still a 2 year promissory for the type as well.

Username here 03-31-2020 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by BuddhaPilot73 (Post 3018292)
I’m not core fleet, but my understanding is XL and CJ. There’s still a 2 year promissory for the type as well.

Am I wrong in thinking that I cannot log the SIC time in the CJ3?

stang 03-31-2020 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Username here (Post 3018299)
Am I wrong in thinking that I cannot log the SIC time in the CJ3?

Guessing Ops Spec requires it.

UhOhItsTheFiveO 04-01-2020 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by BuddhaPilot73 (Post 3018292)
I’m not core fleet, but my understanding is XL and CJ. There’s still a 2 year promissory for the type as well.


Originally Posted by Username here (Post 3018299)
Am I wrong in thinking that I cannot log the SIC time in the CJ3?

When I spoke with the Captain that did my initial phone screen I was told the XL and the CJ are the starting platforms for FOs. I was also told from him that all time was able to be logged.


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