Part 135 Procedures and call outs question..
08-24-2019, 10:18 AM
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Part 135 Procedures and call outs question..
I was wondering about 2 things with regard to policies and procedures at the Part 135 carriers..
1) Are VNAV climbs allowed on your aircraft or operator?
2) Do you make a 1000' above, 500' above minimums call or do you make an "above the ground" call? I know that CAE and FSI use the above minimums, but I am hearing that many airlines do the above the ground. Cat II maybe...
Any input would be appreciated. I will put a similar question out to our Part 91K Fractional fellow aviators..
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1) Are VNAV climbs allowed on your aircraft or operator?
2) Do you make a 1000' above, 500' above minimums call or do you make an "above the ground" call? I know that CAE and FSI use the above minimums, but I am hearing that many airlines do the above the ground. Cat II maybe...
Any input would be appreciated. I will put a similar question out to our Part 91K Fractional fellow aviators..
Thanks
08-24-2019, 12:58 PM
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1. Depends on the equipment. A large king air operator with PL21 specifically trains VNAV climbs on the RUUDY SID out of TEB.
2. Kind of all over the place. A majority of 135 operators don't standardize things like callouts nearly as much as 121.
2. Kind of all over the place. A majority of 135 operators don't standardize things like callouts nearly as much as 121.
08-24-2019, 03:57 PM
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Yes, we use VNAV where appropriate in the climb. It’s NA for us on a missed approach, but otherwise it’s fair game.
Our calls are above minimums. Some 121 carriers are above the ground. When I flew at ExpressJet their 1000 ft call was above the ground, the rest were above minimums if I remember right. The reason was that 1000 AGL was minimum stabilization height.
Our calls are above minimums. Some 121 carriers are above the ground. When I flew at ExpressJet their 1000 ft call was above the ground, the rest were above minimums if I remember right. The reason was that 1000 AGL was minimum stabilization height.
08-26-2019, 09:43 AM
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1. We use VNAV as appropriate
2. Verbal calls are above mins for us when on IFR procedures in IMC conditions. In visual conditions the 1000 and 500 calls are above ground and used for Stabilized approach criteria.
Both will vary by carrier as VNAV is predicated on aircraft capabilities, crew training, and the carriers OPSPECS. Call outs will vary based on the individual carriers SOPs.
2. Verbal calls are above mins for us when on IFR procedures in IMC conditions. In visual conditions the 1000 and 500 calls are above ground and used for Stabilized approach criteria.
Both will vary by carrier as VNAV is predicated on aircraft capabilities, crew training, and the carriers OPSPECS. Call outs will vary based on the individual carriers SOPs.
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