If that's the way you feel then you can be a crop duster. That attitude will get you nowhere in 135 On Demand. It's all about the customer and if you are on your 10 hour rest and the freight is ready 1 hour before you come off rest, you bet your sweet ass I'm calling you to get moving at exactly 10 hours and 1 minute after rest started. Without the customer, we don't fly. I don't understand why some of you pilot are thick headed. I understand rest time, being an ADX, but in 135, it's a different game.

A good quote from my DO..."No matter what Part you are operating under, dead is dead and violated is violated."

nobody has said or implied that we shouldn't. If you get the rest then your legal, however, we are debating whether or not you are considered on rest while on call. Ill tell ya what, when hell freezes over and the feds actually start to enforce this regulation, ill see you on the crop dusting line when you get violated. The job is all about the customer, but my life isnt. I am more than happy to do everything in my power to make a customer happy and keep their business, but I would prefer not to offer my certificates and bank account to all of them.

Bla Bla Bla.

If this is all true, why doesn't the FAA write it in black and white, or according to the whiners here, good and bad. Till they do, I ,and my pilots,will operate as we have since the mid nineties.

Next thing I will hear out of your mouths is that 135 needs to unionize. :D Just find out what Connie did to them when they showed up at his doorsteps, they haven't been back.....

Bla Bla Bla.

If this is all true, why doesn't the FAA write it in black and white, or according to the whiners here, good and bad. Till they do, I ,and my pilots,will operate as we have since the mid nineties.

Next thing I will hear out of your mouths is that 135 needs to unionize. :D Just find out what Connie did to them when they showed up at his doorsteps, they haven't been back.....

I am not about to refuse a trip at this point because I have been on call for a full week, as thats probably the fastest way out the door. I like my job and dont particularly mind being on call, but thats besides the point. If the FAA says that they have determined its ok to do this, then I will brush it off and do my job...however my understanding is that the 135 rewrite will contain its effects. As far as it being in black and white, refer to the number of FAA opinions and the court of appeals decision. Id say thats as black and white as it need be. Why they have note been enforcing it is another question.

not sure what you are referring to, but to my knowledge, Kalitta Air pilots are unionized and its a great place to work. I know a pilot thats been there since about the begnining. What else happened?

When adult discourse is reduced to name calling and "Bla Bla Bla", you know people are getting desperate. With over 3,000 views and counting, I wouldn't be surprised if some of their pilots have been using the information in this thread to demand legal rest periods.

I don't understand why you won't staff your business and charge your customers appropriately. If your customer base truly requires a lot of last minute call-outs, then charge those customers for the extra staff that service requires. I bet you would find that they can often give more notice than they do, once you start tacking on surcharges.

Great quote! Stop the word games.

The FAA has never defined rest as a period of time during which you have a duty to answer your phone and be fit and available to fly. They have on many, many occasions defined it otherwise.

If the company restricts your ability to be sound asleep and unable/unwilling to answer your phone, then it ain't rest! Common sense!

You work for the automotive industry? High management probably, because you would last in this business very very shortly. Weeks maybe even days. You might even be unemployed making ignorant statements like that.

Unless the rewrite of 135 is going to make it mandatory, they have been working on this since I started 135 in 1994, most FAA and 135 operators will work as they have been since the day I remember. I have heard that it might even include variable flight and duty times depending on how many night landings and night flying you do. Like the JAR rules.

Who would they be asking that question? The unemployment office or their rich wives who soon will divorce them for being lazy and dumb?

And if people/ companies are not sure, ask your FAA guy in your region how he/ she understands this part of the Reg. Get it in writing:rolleyes: You'll be surprised on how many FAA guys are former 135 junkies like us.

you have got to be kidding