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ZBowFlyz 12-17-2009 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 729024)
We all know that it is not right, but that is the way things are.

Beyond flight school pilots continue to pay to work. They buy type ratings, sign training contracts, accept low wages to gain experience, and have to start over at gruesome wages whenever they change employers.

Everyone pays. Some pay in cash and up front.

Skyhigh

And all those rules you pointed out still apply. That means PFT is just more expensive and might not work out... Do ya feel lucky?

Live2FlyFaster 12-18-2009 12:49 PM

just tagged onto this forum and read some of the notes about the KLime sic program. If you got your info on Key Lime, I hope it points you in the right direction. I worked for them for a few years and can give you the good and the bad.... 1st hand.

taymor1234 12-18-2009 02:42 PM

Could you be kind and share you experience with us, BAD and the GOOD

your Help is highly appreciated

SkyHigh 12-18-2009 09:14 PM

In it for yourself
 

Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate (Post 729068)
But wouldnt that put them further behind the guys who refuse to "pay to play"?
What if the doctor that was assigned to you paid for that position in XYZ hospital and the other 10 or so guys who were plenty qualified refused to pay for that same position...... :cool:

If someone is considering paying for a job then their natural career progression has stopped. Often the choice is to permit yourself to be sidelined or try and throw some money at their career.

Doctors, lawyers plumbers and garbage men would never pay to go to work. Pilots however do. What does that tell you about the value of our profession?

Skyhigh

SkyHigh 12-18-2009 09:17 PM

Dead career
 

Originally Posted by ZBowFlyz (Post 729082)
And all those rules you pointed out still apply. That means PFT is just more expensive and might not work out... Do ya feel lucky?

How expensive is a dead career? Pilots who pay for advancement are trying to breath life into a flat lined career.

Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Doing nothing however while waiting for the winds of fate to change rarely produces results.

Skyhigh

ZBowFlyz 12-19-2009 01:21 AM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 729940)
How expensive is a dead career? Pilots who pay for advancement are trying to breath life into a flat lined career.

Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Doing nothing however while waiting for the winds of fate to change rarely produces results.

Skyhigh

Who waits for the "Winds of fate to change?" ... I perfer the "Grab it by the throat and choke it, beat it up, and stomp on it's throat until you get what you want" method.

...It's worked pretty well for me so far;)

Luv2Rotate 12-19-2009 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by ZBowFlyz (Post 729961)
Who waits for the "Winds of fate to change?" ... I perfer the "Grab it by the throat and choke it, beat it up, and stomp on it's throat until you get what you want" method.

...It's worked pretty well for me so far;)

I prefer to hump it into submission... :D

Hot Rod Wannabe 12-19-2009 07:09 PM

Denver FSDO
 

Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate (Post 730084)
I prefer to hump it into submission... :D


Check your 6 Call Denver FSDO for a recommendation of Key Lime. It made me change my mind.:eek:

block30 12-19-2009 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingPirate (Post 728786)
Because they get paid like professionals, plus I already paid my $60,000 in training costs, so your point holds no value. When a nurse has finished their education and have spent a year or two working for money, do they pay the hospital they want to work at a ton of money so they can eventually get paid by said hospital?

I cant believe this is even being argued. :rolleyes:

THANK YOU!!

...and to WRXPilot...

THANK YOU!!

Companies are taking advantage of the economic slow down to add insult to injury as far as pilot compensation goes. Someday when your career is launched, you'll not have to wonder why getting decent pay and QOL is difficult with all kinds of starry eyed folks willingly undercutting a profession.

And this crap happens at all levels of flying, from your light GA jobs up into the turbines gigs. Spread the wisdom. Let's make this a better, safer work environment by promoting professional treatment of our fellow pilots.

block30 12-19-2009 08:26 PM

I just looked at Freight Runners "intern" SIC program. In between heaves as I restrained myself from vomiting, I noticed the program requires a person to provide proof of health insurance.

I was wondering, is this because an "intern" SIC is technically an employee, and so to skirt paying medical benefits a person must provide this on their own? :mad:

Proof of medical insurance is a very unusual item on a work application, at least to me it is.


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