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BravoPapa 08-22-2018 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by KaranS (Post 2659765)
Anybody have any info on these schools offering fully sponsored CFI/II/MEI for 1500 hours commitment?

I know Falcon Aviation Academy did a few months ago. The commitment was 1400 hours. Not sure if they're still doing it.

If you already have your CFI or get it through them, then there is this. They will help you get CFII and MEI.

https://www.flyfalcon.com/cfi/

KaranS 08-22-2018 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by BravoPapa (Post 2659904)
I know Falcon Aviation Academy did a few months ago. The commitment was 1400 hours. Not sure if they're still doing it.

If you already have your CFI or get it through them, then there is this. They will help you get CFII and MEI.

https://www.flyfalcon.com/cfi/

Much appreciated thanks! I wonder how many hours instructors avg there in the winter months as compared to FL or AZ

tritofly 08-23-2018 06:47 AM

Flight Safety Academy does it for a 2 year commitment, not 1500 hours. Its not worth it, and i advise anyone and everyone to stay away from that program.

peaches 08-23-2018 08:08 PM

Ive taught at one of the largest 141 aviation universities as well as a small 61 school. BY FAR best experiences were with the small part 61. i flew almost 150+ hours a month out of a class C airport and at times had to turn down work due to being so busy.

In my personal opinion I would stay away from pilot mills. I also preferred the freedom of part 61 over the 141 syllabus.

greendotplus10 08-24-2018 12:57 PM

100+ hours per month
 
Many flight schools claim you can fly 100 hours a month or more, and many instructors do. The highest I've heard of is 130 hours. But, may I offer some words of caution to that practice...

At your regional airline of choice the most you can legally fly is 100 hours, and, you won't be able to do that every month either. This is due to part 117, which restricts your length of duty day and flight time limits. Most months you will be flying 80-85 hours. Not to mention those hours will be in a crewed airplane with much more use of automation and standard operating procedures than at your flight school.

Therefore, flight instructing for 80-85 hours likely contains much greater workload. Especially if most of that time is earned during short, local flights, in congested airspace, in summer heat and no air conditioning.

Can it be done legally and safely? Yes, but be careful. Learn your limits and stick to them.

SoFloFlyer 08-26-2018 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by tritofly (Post 2660593)
Flight Safety Academy does it for a 2 year commitment, not 1500 hours. Its not worth it, and i advise anyone and everyone to stay away from that program.

Why so that? Was looking at them

TiredSoul 08-26-2018 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by tritofly (Post 2660593)
Flight Safety Academy does it for a 2 year commitment, not 1500 hours. Its not worth it, and i advise anyone and everyone to stay away from that program.

It’s pretty much the same thing isn’t it?
750 hrs flight + 500 hrs ground gets your 1250 billable hours a year.
That’s about $35-$40k/year.

Keep in mind that as a flight instructor your average efficiency is only about 60%.
As in you’re at the school for 10 hrs and 6 billable hours which is about 4 flights a day.
Being there for 9 hrs and having three XC flights back to back is rare.

brocklee9000 08-27-2018 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2662704)
It’s pretty much the same thing isn’t it?
750 hrs flight + 500 hrs ground gets your 1250 billable hours a year.
That’s about $35-$40k/year.

Keep in mind that as a flight instructor your average efficiency is only about 60%.
As in you’re at the school for 10 hrs and 6 billable hours which is about 4 flights a day.
Being there for 9 hrs and having three XC flights back to back is rare.

Yep. Last week I billed 43.5 hours and about 25 of that was from flight. Each day was a 6-9 hour day at the school. At peak efficiency, I would have three lessons back to back. A 10-15 minute brief, 1.5-2 hour flight, 10-15 minute debrief. I’m not getting paid during the preflight or tie down, but I am for all the other stuff. Some days I had 2-3 hours of ground instruction. Part of that 43.5 includes the 0.3 to 0.5 pre/post brief from each flight lesson. I am able to schedule my students each day and have total control over my schedule, and that was my lost efficient and productive week. There have been some very ineffecient days due to lessons ending quicker than expected (student was prepared for the ground so it was shorter, ending a flight for MX problem, delaying for weather) or having students on a checkride and wanting to be available. I also am fortunate to live about 5 minutes from the airport so I can go home during lulls if I want to. And even with all that, maybe high 60s or low 70s percent efficient.

Barretod2 09-12-2018 02:47 PM

CAE, Mesa Az.
 
CAE had a program where they would pay for your CFI, CFII with a 3 year agreement. I don't know if they still do that. I do know that we have plenty of students here and get paid a salary. Not by the flight hour. We fly 60 - 80 hours a month. PM me if you want more info. We also have relocation allowance and temp housing (30 days) while you search for a place.

Flaps8posrate 09-12-2018 03:26 PM

CFI
 
Doss Aviation at KPUB pays $94k / yr for instructors for their USAFA flight training contract. Not a beginner job though


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