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Old 12-06-2013, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Apokleros View Post
How many turboprop operators are out there though for him to do that? I mean if he can find one willing to take him on, then he might do well in going for it, but most likely he'll have to conform like 95% of us did and went the commonplace route. I think he should get his CFI ratings and just shallow it like the rest of us. It's nerve wracking as heck, but it's a challenge that will increase any pilot's skill-level. Once those CFI checkrides are passed and you get your first paycheck instructing, it's such a sweet feeling....
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I was just pointing out there are other ways, but you are right just do like everyone else. I am glad I did not.
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Old 12-06-2013, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR View Post
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I was just pointing out there are other ways, but you are right just do like everyone else. I am glad I did not.
Sorry for coming across as hyped.

The OP does have a valid point however. Newly minted commercial pilots should not be teaching other pilots how to fly. They just do not have the necessary experience to make good pilots IMHO.
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Old 12-06-2013, 05:06 PM
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There's a reason why 135 IFR single pilot jobs aren't entry level. Sure, some days are cake, but those 30 knot direct crosswind in icing to circling mins with the circle to the crosswind runway aren't.
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Old 12-07-2013, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by El Pilot View Post
If you ask me, 135 cargo should
Be entry level.
Absolutely not.
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Old 12-07-2013, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by El Pilot View Post
Saftey conscious. In my opinion it should be entry level
Safety conscious? Entry level 135 is the absolute opposite of safety conscious. I have over 1,500 hours with my ATP and went into a single pilot, IFR, twin turbo prop job. When you have 250 hours, flying single pilot in Hard IMC, icing, approaches to minimums with lives or cargo onboard… thats a joke! Suck it up, pay your dues and get to your 135, or 121 minimums and then start looking for jobs. We all did it. The hours are there to keep new pilots without the experience from going out and killing themselves and others when flying… and sometimes even with the hours its not enough…

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Is this a haiku thread?

Okay okay, here I go:

center yells at me
forgot to push NAV again
these packs effing suck
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:49 PM
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Is this a haiku thread?

Okay okay, here I go:

center yells at me
forgot to push NAV again
these packs effing suck
Nothing beats a good laugh. Thanks biigd!
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by El Pilot View Post
Ok, this may come out as a newbie rambling, but I
Have 3 years experience so hear me out. Today
I was practicing with my whiteboard for CFI training, and
My mom interrupts me. In a light hearted way she
Says, "You are not good at teaching" Although mad, my
Mom has a point. She graduated college as a teacher,
She knows im not a people person and im shy. The thing
That frustrates me about Aviation as a career, is that you
Have to CFI to advance. Most any other career you
Don't teach as entry level, but you do it after years
Of life experience. A truck driver dose not teach for
His first job, he goes OTR. Why are there not more
Entry level jobs for a pilot? If you ask me, 135 cargo should
Be entry level. This career is frustrating as it is now, with the
1500 hour rule.
The 1500hr rule is a great rule! Most would agree too. Being a CFI/II/MEI will make you a better pilot. Period. Don't be one of those guys though that uses students just to "time build" They will know and give a you a hard time. Building time by teaching ground and flight training makes you really understand the aircraft, stalls, short field landings, approaches, holding patterns, ect. Yea 3-5 years teaching may be long, and not pay as much as we would like-but it's a necessary evil. Then you get to go to the regionals for $22-$25 and hr to start!
Anyway, someday you will make CA and be back at the teaching/mentor role to new FO's. Most of the real good Captains I have flown with were all CFI's. It's a long road-and not many shortcuts.
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Old 12-08-2013, 04:42 AM
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Dude...if your frustrated with the industry now...well your not going to like it later. Go become a doctor or lawyer. Better yet and air conditioning repairman will have a higher income potential then what your getting into. It's a who you know industry and if your a guy that is shy and keeps to thy self...recommendations will not be plenty. I did not have to do the CFI route. I worked line service and got a Learjet job with less then 300 hours, but I was a people person. And being a people person also was the reason I was a Widebody captain before I was 30 years old...You learn more from other pilots talking then reading some book...if you want to make it in aviation it will help greatly to get out of your shell and poke your head up out of your laptop, phone or tablet and strike up a conversation with a stranger...They might be your next chief pilot.
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Dude...if your frustrated with the industry now...well your not going to like it later. Go become a doctor or lawyer. Better yet and air conditioning repairman will have a higher income potential then what your getting into. It's a who you know industry and if your a guy that is shy and keeps to thy self...recommendations will not be plenty. I did not have to do the CFI route. I worked line service and got a Learjet job with less then 300 hours, but I was a people person. And being a people person also was the reason I was a Widebody captain before I was 30 years old...You learn more from other pilots talking then reading some book...if you want to make it in aviation it will help greatly to get out of your shell and poke your head up out of your laptop, phone or tablet and strike up a conversation with a stranger...They might be your next chief pilot.
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