Pilot for free in UT Salt Lake
 

Hello, I'm an international student in salt lake city area and I cannot get employed before graduation due to regulations... I want to at least keep my currency during my stay in Utah until the end of the year so I'm willing to fly just to kill downtime. PM me for further please.

Specs: 400TT 50ME 80IFR + CPL ASEL AMEL + CFI

BE33, C150, C152, C172, C72R, DV20, P28A, P28R, PA23, PA30, PA44

Thank you.

Way to rob someone else of wages.

amen :mad:

No one wants your free pilot services. Go away.

Are you Norwegian, by chance?

Go rent an aircraft if you want to fly. Don't steal a job from someone here who needs it.

The moderator should delete his post!

I am trying to understand your post. Are you not able to fly because of employment regulations in the United States or because of ATP requirements at the airlines?

To the original poster:

The FAA considers flight time as compensation, so flying for free would be considered working. You will have to at least spend your pro-rata share of expenses for a flight if you are going to log the time.

The issue of pro-rata expense belongs to the private pilot. The original poster is a commercially certificated pilot and regardless of work laws or authorizations in the United States, is not prevented from being compensated as a commercial pilot.

The FAA has long held in legal interpretation that the logging of flight time represents compensation, not the flight time itself. In this case, it's irrelevant.

So far as regards the original poster, whether it's a troll post or sincere, you shall find little support or sympathy in offering free services. To do so lowers the bar for everyone, regardless of whether work is taken away from others or not. It may well be that whatever flying you do for free would not have been done by another pilot, or in other words, it's possible that you're not preventing a working pilot from receiving compensation or taking his job. That does not alter the fact that by offering to fly for free you're denigrating the concept of the paid, or commercial pilot. Those who do so are seen very unfavorably by those whose livelihood is dedicated to the betterment of the industry.

In short, by making the offer, you've become part of the problem. You'd do well to retract it.

The FAA may allow flying for free, but SEVIS/DHS does not. Obviously I don't know what type of visa you are on now, but most (including the M-1 and F-1), prevent this sort of arrangement unless you are acting as an FO in a single pilot operation (ie, providing no value to the company you are serving). Even then the law surrounding it can be tricky.

Using your for-hire commercial privileges in the United States is a visa violation if you do not have the right to work. (m1, f1, most student visas).

Your 'employer' can get hammered as well if they knowingly engage in this relationship.

It makes me wonder why I keep doing my research for months/years, willing to sacrifice quality of life, getting loans, working overtime, etc etc.....maybe I should just post one of these "pilot for free".

These kind people make me sick.

I was trying to make the point that working for free is still working and would be a violation of his student visa. He can go rent a plane or even borrow a plane for a recreational flight while paying his share of the operational expenses and exercise private pilot privileges. Once he exercises commercial pilot privileges, then the pilot would need an appropriate corresponding visa.

You didn't make that point. You attempted to do so by invoking FAA regulation, which is irrelevant, and you were wrong about the regulation.

The issue of a visa is another matter entirely.

M-1 allows practical training by the way...

http://faq.visapro.com/M1-Visa-FAQ3.asp
Since the M-1 category was never (primarily) intended for flight training but kinda sorta made to work after 9-11 it makes for some interesting (wrong) interpretations.

The OP is never gonna respond to this hand grenade of a thread

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Haha not true, I'm monitoring in case anybody says anything useful.

F-1 visa regulations does prohibit employment during the time of study, I am well aware of the regulations.

https://www.uscis.gov/working-united...and-employment

My goal is to just utilize at least my flight instructor certificate or fly once a month to keep my currency, I am not getting paid which isn't illegal. I believe this is no different than giving a friend a flight review and you don't charge him.

except you don't have a friend trying to get a flight review. You're sniping business from other instructors.

This is a problem created by the government, as usual.

If the government would let him fly then he would be able to charge, instead of having to fly for free.

Nobody forced him to learn here.

seriously?

Seriously?! What problem has this created? He can go through proper channels and get a work visa. Your ignorance is sad (on this thread and many others). :rolleyes::eek:

So yall would rather him offer his services for free than charge?

you must live in a parallel universe seriously :confused:

No. Are you seriously this clueless?

Or maybe he goes through the proper avenues to get a work visa. Your idiotic remark is like saying we should just let anyone in this country to come and work if they want to. Think about the implications of your statement....

Get a work visa, fly back home, or don't fly at all. You are the issue with the industry, I'm sure Norwegian has a right seat spot at min wage waiting for you!

Neither.

Read the thread.

No it's not illegal.

It's immoral and unprofessional.

You had best not defecate in the bed in which you must one day lay. You're doing precisely that.

Just ignore the haters on this board and try this.

Find an active CAP squadron and offer to teach ground school - for free. That will help you keep the regs, procedural side from getting rusty.

Visit the local FBO's. Introduce yourself around and bring resumes. Explain that you are looking to build time and are willing to sit right seat in anything.

There is most likely some small charter operator doing single pilot that would be glad for the help and the company.

Post an ad on Barnstormers.com and offer to ferry airplanes for expenses, or sit right seat in any part 91 ops.

Good luck, and welcome to the greatest profession.

PM me. I am looking for low time pilots and CFIs.

Ride along on single pilot 135 operations...to what end?

Ferrying airplanes, even for expenses, is commericial. The FAA views free flight time as compensation.

So following the rules mean being a hater. Awesome

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The Administrator views the logging of flight time as compensation, as provided numerous times in Chief Legal Counsel letters of interpretation.

Flight time is not compensation. The logging of it, as a tangible item of value, is compensation.

Doing commercial work for free, even if you don't log the time, is still scummy even if it is legal. Private pilots shouldn't be doing ferry flights. I'd be curious to see if this specific scenario has ever come up and if it did if the FAA A wouldn't still bust the guy.

I agree on some of the other points, if he wants to stay fresh and sit right seat on single pilot aircraft I don't see a problem.

You think that the FAA cares if a commercial pilot works without pay? You think there's a regulation citing what a pilot is required to be paid for his services? You realize that the original poster is a commercial pilot?

Oops, got my threads mixed up. Nothing wrong in the eyes of the FAA then. Still scummy/Scabby to be taking work that should be paid (Ferrying) for free.

There are Internationally operating ferry compagnies that you can legally work for as they are based ( and pay) outside of the United States.

You may have to do the first couple of trips unpaid with an experienced pilot as taking a SE airplane across the world is not for the faint of heart or the uninitiated.