Originally Posted by IVVIB
(Post 3747834)
I would guess go to Indoc and get seniority number, back to piedmont until flow, flow with 5 years of seniority. No lists would have to merged like they’re debating over in the AA page. What do you think?
I've heard the WOs just go away and you merge/staple, etc, but I never heard any logical explananyion of the idea above. |
Originally Posted by 60av8tor
(Post 3747862)
How does that work with AA vacancies, etc? What happens to the OTS/mil hire that goes directly to AA. He/she watches for years as PDT pilots come to AA and bump him/her lower..?
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Originally Posted by IVVIB
(Post 3747834)
We already have the pay, so seniority at mainline makes the most sense. I would guess go to Indoc and get seniority number, back to piedmont until flow, flow with 5 years of seniority. No lists would have to merged like they’re debating over in the AA page. What do you think?
There's a lively dicsussion over on the American forum about seniority in the event the WO's get absorbed into AAL. Not surprisingly, the AA pilots chiming in there are overwhelming in favor of using the stapler. It won't go over well if an 8 year PDT pilot merging into AA jumps up the list above several thousand mainline pilots. ALPA is trying to get the AA pilots to vote to switch to them from APA, though. Not sure what, if any, provisions would be in an ALPA contract for handling a merger like this. |
Originally Posted by IVVIB
(Post 3747868)
It could work exactly like MIL leave. Thousands of pilots do it at the majors every year. You’re on the list, but that’s it. Not saying that’s what will happen, but certainly it’s a lot cleaner of an option than SLI (if only for the WO’s).
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Originally Posted by IVVIB
(Post 3747834)
Need to revive the rumors around here. What are you all hearing about;
• AA’s SMART committee, PDT MEC’s email about the “fund”/ mergers, a certain Flight Ops big wig’s comments down at the training center detailing how pilots who left outside of the flow will “regret it.” • 175’s ? • DFW base, based on CPO personnel heading down there often • Pay extension?? Seems like something is coming down the pipe to reduce attrition and refleet PDT. We already have the pay, so seniority at mainline makes the most sense. I would guess go to Indoc and get seniority number, back to piedmont until flow, flow with 5 years of seniority. No lists would have to merged like they’re debating over in the AA page. What do you think? The 145 has about 5 years of life left to it. There is no one for one replacement. 175s and CRJ 9s have been flying into ROA. Allegedly mx can fit 2 175s into the hangar, so they want to build a new hangar to fit 4. There is no change to the MX hangar on the ROA airport expansion plan so that's nowhere close to happening if true (probably 5+ years). Sim guys have been telling people that it won't be on the certificate, but Piedmont HIRED pilots will be flying the 175 sooner or later. Could be the beginning of that 10 year plan (which has probably changed 20 times since it first came out), but could be a lot of hype for something the rug gets pulled out from under at the last minute with little explanation and no apologies as has happened many times at Piedmont (PDT was supposed to get 170/175s twice already and AA changed plans after seeing how much of a 💩 show the Piedmont operation was... StAArfleet Command even raffled away the Piedmomt 170 model they kept at SBY years ago after they didn't have any use for it anymore.) If they do merge the 3 WO pilot groups, maybe it'll be back under one name, separate from AA in order to keep the inflight and mx wages depressed, and they'll keep the two ground handling sides of Envoy and Piedmont. Anyway they slice it, it's going to be a long process to wind down Piedmont flight ops. Highly doubt anyone who has left Piedmont will regret it. Almost everyone who did leave had the opportunity to be back at AA within 6 months of their departure. |
Originally Posted by Njflyguy
(Post 3747872)
Your PDT / AA seniority is at the coroprate level (for things like travel benefits), not the APA contract/union level. Different contract, different union.
There's a lively dicsussion over on the American forum about seniority in the event the WO's get absorbed into AAL. Another option: take your longevity for pay with you when you flow. Start at year 5 pay. |
Originally Posted by Otterbox
(Post 3747905)
Almost everyone who did leave had the opportunity to be back at AA within 6 months of their departure.
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Article mentions nineteen Embraer regional jets will join the fleet of American Airlines Group subsidiary Envoy Air which with the additional aircraft will bring Envoy’s total fleet commitment to 169 (126 E175s and 43 E170s). No mention of Piedmont Airlines and a much needed replacement for the ERJ145 if Piedmont is to contimnue flight operations beyond the next 5-10 years. However, the article does mention that American/Envoy has 30 ERJ145s in storage.
Envoy Air Grows Fleet With 19 More Embraer E-Jets Aviation Week Network |
Originally Posted by IVVIB
(Post 3748010)
Agree, for EL or MK to say something like that with such confidence just makes me wonder. Especially since I’ve heard about this conversation from at least three different people. No one really cares if they fly a 145 or 175, more money would be cool but doubtful. Just makes me think the only big thing that could be offered is seniority or advanced pay banding ( like we’ve been doing for prior 121 guys)
Seniority/longevity sound like a great deal, but Pandora's box will open. My class flowed in 2023, would we get the 6+ year plus up to longevity for our sentence at PDT or remain on year 1 while someone still at PDT comes in at year 6 when they flow? How far will longevity credit go back? Is there a cap to it? Stuff like that. A straight DOH staple is probably best for AA from a financial perspective if they go down that road, but then that will alienate a lot of the OTS military and OAL pilots they're targeting for hiring when 3,000 WO pilots get seniority numbers at once. With hiring slowing down at the majors that may end up being something they don't have to make a decision about for years, especially if age 67 comes into fruition. |
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