Originally Posted by MantisToboggan (Post 2689848)

This will never sit right for me. I pay my union dues. Everyone here does. You don't know who I am or if I volunteer, just as much as I don't know if you are the chairmen of the MEC. You could be for all I know.

That in no way effects my right to express my opinion on the union and what they are doing. What are you doing when you volunteer time to the union? Does representing pilots ring a bell? How are we to be represented if we aren't allowed to express our opinion? Your right to explain how you feel about the way things are going is in no way linked to your volunteer record. End of story.

Maybe the union only feels it represents those who do volunteer? And it attracts a certain kind of person? And maybe that echo chamber is why the union deemed it appropriate to put forth a vote on a concessionary contract that the pilot group replied to with a resounding "NO". Just spitballing here.

But maybe I'm on to something. The union is representative of the pilot group as a whole. If people truly believe that if you don't volunteer you don't have a say? Then man, are we in trouble.

Originally Posted by Newstick189 (Post 2689856)

Yeah, we all pay union dues which is why it’s irrelevant. You’re not just paying the union to be your voice, you’re paying into the benefits it can provide.

That’s why volunteering is important. I’m not saying you need to volunteer to have a voice, but what I am saying is you should volunteer to gain perspective. Because it’s not as black and white as people on facebook or APC make it seem.

That being said, I’m speaking from prior experience. I’m not sure what the PDT union day-to-day consists of but I can assure you that through the three airlines I’ve worked at - it’s always the same.

I honestly believe the people in our Union are trying for the best, what makes our company ****ty is that the management isn’t willing to see our point of view.

Originally Posted by Newstick189 (Post 2689785)

BL for MEC Chair

Originally Posted by surfcc11 (Post 2690280)

All potential new hires, remember you are also interviewing the company and seeing if it is a good fit.

Most pilots are getting 11 days off for barely over 75 hours credit. Please ask the interviewer to show you both the initial bid and the final bid for a previous month. You will see lines that were a measly 13 days off truly end up being 11 days off.

Ask the recruiter how fast you can reasonably expect to actually fly and start building 121 time. As discussed currently it's still around 9 month for most new hires.
Think about how much closer to upgrade you will be at other airlines.


Know your value as a professional pilot. Do not settle for substandard QOL and pay.

Originally Posted by MattyIce (Post 2691454)

So, looking through the lines, we have a junior line that has 11 days off in the month of Nov and six trips. Block of just under 70 hours and credit of the 75 guarantee. All but one of the breaks are two days off...

130 lines and none credit more than 78 hours. All are between 11 and 13 days off...

Originally Posted by MKUltra (Post 2691481)

This is atrocious and the worst ive ever seen it here... ofcourse we will all be junior manned and extended Thanksgiving weekend...

This company lacks any need, idea or want to give us quality time at home.. pilots are still treated as a resource.. there is zero concern for us..

When you spend over 300 to 400 hours time away from base.. you are spending 50 to 75 percent of your life at work.. all too make 35k as a fo and 55 to 60k as a captain...

Forget it if you have a family and commute... too many of our guys and girls are aware getting single real fast...

Originally Posted by MKUltra (Post 2691481)

Forget it if you have a family and commute... too many of our guys and girls are getting single real fast...

Originally Posted by Lahey (Post 2691554)

Just bid canada trips, you wont need a GF if you go there enough.

Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 2691897)

:confused::confused:

Originally Posted by Urban achiever (Post 2692062)

I think he’s referencing the oldest profession there is...

*taps forehead*

Originally Posted by Mark7 (Post 2697175)

Thread hijack,
Does anybody the ground school dates for November?
I was told to expect late October or November. So far no communication from Piedmont.
Thanks

Originally Posted by Mark7 (Post 2697175)

Thread hijack,
Does anybody the ground school dates for November?
I was told to expect late October or November. So far no communication from Piedmont.
Thanks

Originally Posted by Mark7 (Post 2697281)

Thanks 67,
After five months of waiting around I think it would be silly to pull out now.
Maybe i'm stupid and don't know any better but I don't want to grind my way through another interview prep, interview, then another indoc class.

Originally Posted by Mark7 (Post 2697281)

Thanks 67,
After five months of waiting around I think it would be silly to pull out now.
Maybe i'm stupid and don't know any better but I don't want to grind my way through another interview prep, interview, then another indoc class.

Originally Posted by flybywp (Post 2697354)

Why so you can wait 3-6 more months before you actually fly the real plane? By that time, you would be done training and have accumulated several hundred hours at a few of those other airlines.

Don't forget once you finally do hit the line you'll be sitting reserve for a while, making 75 hours credit. Once you actually hold a line? Yeah, still 75 hours and ONLY 11 days off. Hopefully no one lured you here on the triple premium bandwagon as that ship has sailed (at least for FOs). There is no more premium pay for picking up open time. And good luck picking anything up as we are very well staffed on FOs and you will only get 11 days off. Do you like making money? Look elsewhere.

Did you hear the company is planning to stop growing at the end of this year? It'll take you AT LEAST another 2.5 years to upgrade, probably longer when upgrade time rises due to overstaffing. Good luck!

PS: If you were hired 5 months ago, plan on flowing 8-9 years from now. Not 3-5 like recruiting told you.

Originally Posted by Mark7 (Post 2697281)

Thanks 67,
After five months of waiting around

Originally Posted by 67Creek (Post 2697525)

Unfortunately, after your first five months waiting for training at Piedmont, you're *still* closer to being a line pilot at another airline than you are at Piedmont.