Pilots that go to American Airlines
 

Latest flow to American? What was their date of hire at Piedmont?

January 2020 flows - All hired in 2015

1/12/2015
4/20/2015
4/20/2015
5/18/2015
5/18/2015
5/18/2015

Do not use that as a guide for someone hired today. It will not be anywhere close to that

College degree required to flow?

No. Everyone flows.

That’s insane. Some of these guys might have been soloing in a Cessna that day that I was hired at my regional. I upgraded in May 2015.

Been this way for a while. September 2019 flow:
September 2014 x3
August 2014
July 2014
October 2014.

July 2019 flow:

July 2014 x4
August 2014 x2

These are the folks that got the timing perfect. They were hired when the seniority list was small, but right before Piedmont went on a massive hiring streak. They got the benefit of starting at a low seniority number, and the benefit of the higher flows per month of a large pilot group.

It's a different story for pilots hired after them.

Jets, Flow, bases.. were all rumors.. they took a gamble to come when they did in 14 and 15... .. and it paid off... Remember these people came to fly the dash, not a shiny 170 and it paid off for them nicely.

Sure. I'm not complaining. I'm just trying to explain why a <5 year flow was a reality for them, but shouldn't be expected for a 2019/2020 new hire.

I took that gamble in 2015. Broke contract flying 175’s based out of MCI. My classmates at the old shop are all getting 5 year congratulatory emails, and I won’t see year 5 at PDT.

What will your flow time be?

The April, May, June, July, and August classes of 2015 are all shy of 5 years... than it increases from there...

Don't forget we got there priviledge to sit reserve in mdt, roa, ewn, and cho to fly good old shaky...

My friends at your old shop thought I was crazy going to pdt.. why would you want top fly a dash... your an idiot they would say...

They have all since rescinded..

MDT. Back when reserves never got used. I spent more money than I made waiting to fly for the first couple of months.
Still, old shaky was a pleasure to fly, and I miss it on gusty days.

I went for a run once and didn't bring my phone. Of course they called to change my rap for the next day and chewed me out a bit. Probably one of like five times they called me.

I know that anything can change, but I think lot of us who came in 2014/2015 saw the writing on the walls and knew what was coming. Wasn't pure luck or a huge gamble in my opinion. But many of my friends didn't come here simply because of the dash, and that's comical

When I started making money here. 2017.. my friends were astonished that I was earning so well to fly a dash..

I had job offers for republic, endeavour, whiskey and PDT. I chose pdt..

Thank God for that best western..

February 2020 flows to American:

KO date of hire 8/25/2014
MP date of hire 5/18/2015
MV date of hire 6/15/2015
PK date of hire 6/15/2015
RP date of hire 6/15/2015
CC date of hire 6/15/2015

Keep in mind the sub 5 year flow is only for a short period of time. It’ll look really good for the next 6-12 months then get progressively worse

are you saying folks hired within the next 6-12 months might see a 5 year flow again?

Flows in the next 6-12 months right around 5 years, then begins to creep up. I think it’s a bit more than 12 months, but not much. Not sure when the 25/month classes really kicked in...

This is great news for those moving up and it’s nice to see vs the lost decade.

No. The people that were hired during 2014-2016 will be the ones to flow in the roughly 5 year time span. The people currently flowing are the ones that were hired during that time frame, thus all pilots that flow over the next 12-18 months (my opinion), will be that group of people.

Someone hired today is looking at far longer than 5 years to flow.

No. I’m sorry if I worded my statement in a confusing manner. Anyone hired after 2016 is in for a long wait unless something changes and fast. This has been beat to death in the main thread with different projections etc. but I think I’ll be a 7-8 year flow. I hope I’m wrong. But apps are out as it’s had to justify 8 years of Pdt qol without at least an attempt to improve my situation.

Still pretty amazing to go from zero 121 time to American Airlines in 4+ years. How old is the youngest person? To flow, I mean.

Someone please explain to mgmt & recruiting why someone hired today can’t possibly expect to flow in 5 years. So frustrating to hear the same ole story from the higher ups. Almost like it’s the only carrot they have left.

So, how long to flow for someone hired in 2020??

you can shake a magic eight ball but probably 6-65 years. Who knows it depends on voodoo math to figure out what it really will be after attrition.

From another post AA is the one who calculates the estimated flows. It is based on projected attrition both with and outside of the flow. It takes hiring of all major airlines into account, with normal retirements, and estimated number of employees that will leave to go elsewhere.
The flaw in these flow calculations is that they underpredicted the number of pilots who would be too lazy to apply outside of the flow and to work hard to try to get hired somewhere else. At last check, less than 18% of the AA WO pilots even have an updated application in with any major airline. This is insane.
So, the flow will likely be 6 years or less, that is true. The only thing that will make it more is pilots not trying to get hired before.
DoNoHarm is correct. AA calculates flow almost down to the person with projected dates for low, medium and high attrition. The latest numbers (yesterday) show a pilot hired in January/February 2020 will flow to AA between 4 years and 7 months (high attrition) and 5 years and 8 months (low attrition).That being said, AA hired three Piedmont pilots outside of the flow in January so far, which means attrition is already going to lean toward the high side this month.

March 2020 flows to American:

DD - hired June 2015
SM - hired June 2015
MK - hired June 2015
DB hired July 2015
TS hired July 2015
CK - hired July 2015

Young guy in the March flow - maybe 25, 26 years old? Great career ahead.

Out of curiosity, what does everyone think will happen to the flow program if an AA airplane ever crashes and it turns out the pilot flying it had a criminal history, a few checkride failures and only a high school education?

Then the media goes on to explain how that pilot wouldn’t have been hired at Delta or United, but AA has a “flow” program set up that allows pilots with those kinds of backgrounds to still get hired.

That could be a PR nightmare. I think AA is counting on the fact that once the flow program gets established it will take a pilot 8-10 years to flow.

Being able to explain that a pilot has to prove themselves by maintaining a clean record for 10 years would restore everyone’s faith in the AA hiring practices should the worst ever happen. I think that AA will always try to balance making the flow process as long as possible, while keeping it just quick enough to still be an effective recruitment tool

Obviously you do not work at PDT. All of our aviators are highly skilled professionals with various backgrounds that American is thankful for receiving.

There are plenty of bad apples that get hired at United or Delta just like any other company.

The hiring crunch is in full gear, hold on.

Kooj? Is that you again?

The flow program is five years old - it's pretty well established.

AA has a pretty robust evaluation system and probation period to remove anyone that is not up to standard once they are on property as well.

I would venture to say, that pilots WITHOUT a criminal record and WITHOUT check ride failures have crashed airplanes too...just study the accidents involving major airlines over the last 50 years, I am almost certain a majority of those pilots did not have a criminal back ground, check ride failures, and had 4 years degrees...but they still crashed an aircraft too. Just because someone has had set backs in their careers, doesn't mean they will crash an airplane or be any less compentent.

The way I built my hours is better than the way anyone else has ever done it. Military is better than regional. CFI better than banner tower. Corporate better than CFI. Off the street better than flow.

Most importantly, get off my lawn you kids!

Pilots that go to American Airlines
 

Though this may be very true, it wouldn’t surprise me if AA attempted to blame the “flow” as Amazon tried to blame the guy who crashed and “lied” to them. But the reality is they passed the companies check rides, and that is a legal/PR cop out.

But having so many flow pilots on property, it would look bad if AA threw them under the bus, so I kind of doubt they would.