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Originally Posted by Fat Old Tired (Post 3441751)

Wow, seriously? Piedmont pilots had ZERO trouble learning the E145 and now they are widely considered the most effective and efficient operator of the aircraft. Piedmont pilots can fly the heck out of that plane and do so safely and comfortably for AA's customers. Not sure why you think they won't be able to do it on the E175.

I think Piedmont pilots will do just fine. You on the other hand, not so sure.

You completely misread my question. Are any airport runway lengths that Piedmont flies into too short for the E-175?

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Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3441818)

You completely misread my question. Are any airport runway lengths that Piedmont flies into too short for the E-175?

No, the 175 is much better for all performance. The 175 can get into airports the 145 and CRJ’s cannot due to performance.

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Originally Posted by FM2436 (Post 3441312)

What "new" aircraft is needed at Piedmont Airlines now that Piedmont pilots have a new contract that provides significant increases in pilot pay? Applying a little bit of critical thinking added with basic economics will tell you that the continue presence of the 50-seat ERJ145 will result in higher airline passenger ticket prices to generate the added revenues needed to pay increasing expenses (new pilot salaries). Are new increases in pay coming to FAA licenses A&P mechanics and dispatcher? What about flight attendants and the grunts at the ticket counter and on the ramp? As expenses continue to rise, one thing at Piedmont will remain the same. The 50-seat ERJ145. If Piedmont is to continue as one of three wholly owned regional airlines of American Airlines (and not be Comair'ed into Envoy and/or PSA), then Piedmont needs a new aircraft type to survive. Is the EMB170/175 in Piedmont's future?

Does this question assume AAG will purchase new regional aircraft? If so the 175 makes sense. I doubt that is what will happen.

The question becomes what aircraft does AAG own that are currently understaffed? That leads to transfer of some CRJ-700s from PSA to Piedmont.

Envoy can staff all the 175s it has, especially with the retirement of the 145.

The 3 WO are pretty much shell companies that do what AAG says. None of them (or their pilots) make decisions that are not approved by AAG.

Personally I hope to not get offered a new aircraft before I flow/depart.

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Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3441573)

Are any of the airports that Piedmont flies into limited in length, where E-145s can fly in, but E-175s are limited?

It's actually the other way around. The ERJ145 requires a lot more runway for takeoff. A lot more than the EMB175 requires.

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Originally Posted by FM2436 (Post 3441993)

It's actually the other way around. The ERJ145 requires a lot more runway for takeoff. A lot more than the EMB175 requires.

That clarifies it in the minds of a lot of pilots that did not know.

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Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3442047)

That clarifies it in the minds of a lot of pilots that did not know.

IMHO, I think it's best you stop doubting the capablities of Piedmont pilots or the company. It hasn't worked out for those who did it before you. Better luck next time there pal

How many CRJs can PSA not staff?

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Originally Posted by Fat Old Tired (Post 3442059)

IMHO, I think it's best you stop doubting the capablities of Piedmont pilots or the company. It hasn't worked out for those who did it before you. Better luck next time there pal

You are strongly misinterpreting what I have said. Go back and re-read my posts, slowly, with a clear mind.

Seriously. What are American Airlines' and Piedmont's plans for a permanent replacement aircraft for their worn out ERJ145? Next, is Piedmont going to be given Envoy's worn out EMB175s?
As the only remaining manufacturer of a regional aircraft seating fewer than 100 PAX, Embraer delivered worldwide only 33 EMB170/190 series aircraft in 2022. Within 3-4 years, a dedicated aircraft order must to be announced or Piedmont will cease to exist.

The Coming Airliner "Shortage" - The Rising Air Service Bar (rumble.com)

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Originally Posted by FM2436 (Post 3611049)

There's no cost advantage for AA to give Piedmont 175s. It screwed away the Dash 8 to 145 transition so badly that AA doesn't trust its management team to bring another type onboard which is why they scrapped the plan to give Piedmont 170s as a follow-on to the 145 back around 2018. Will that change? Maybe, but highly unlikely it will be any time soon. There's still life left on Envoys 145s and they can keep Piedmont busy for the next 5 years.

What happens when all of the 145s are gone? Could be anything, including the following:
1) Piedmont flight department is shut down and the company continues to exist on the ground handling side of the house to maintain cost efficiencies against Envoy ground handling.
2) Piedmont is merged with PSA and operates CRJs
4) Piedmont shrinks and takes the small number 170s it was supposed to get a decade earlier.
3) AA orders replacement aircraft for the 145 and sends them to Piedmont. In 2021, Management was very excited about Embraer's Next Generation turbo prop that looks like a 145 and is designed to replace the Dash-8. Timing works out for potential replacement as the 145s time out but new planes cost money and anyone who has been to Piedmont knows that operating the latest and greatest of anything is not in it's MO. Piedmont is AAGs bastard child that survives by being the cheapest of the three AA Wholly Owned airlines.