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naley70b 05-16-2008 10:26 AM

Piedmont Raises Mins
 
Not a HUGE raise, but we just raised our mins to 500 TT and 50 ME. Which is interesting that we're even posting jobs cause supposedly all our classes are filled until September and crazy ol' Bobby Trout says that the classes are with 4-5 people max.

Make of it what you will....

rustypigeon 05-16-2008 04:34 PM

Lets just hope they keep the upgrade minimums at 3000 for safety sake.

naley70b 05-16-2008 11:18 PM


Originally Posted by rustypigeon (Post 384850)
Lets just hope they keep the upgrade minimums at 3000 for safety sake.


???

Why PSA has upgrade mins equivalent to those of ATP mins and they havn't had any incidents.

Part 135 guys fly more technical stuff than we do and while they have a hire incident rate than that of the 121 world its not nearly as dangerous as everyone thinks.

SkyHiFan 05-17-2008 07:09 AM

3000 hu?

thats brilliant, only pilots would want to work even harder for that 24k starting salary

HercDriver130 05-17-2008 07:16 AM

whats a "hire incident rate"..... did you mean HIGHER?

Stryker 05-17-2008 01:15 PM

I really hope this board isnt a direct reflection of pilots as a whole. The spelling and grammar here is horrible... haha

stoki 05-17-2008 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by naley70b (Post 384670)
Not a HUGE raise, but we just raised our mins to 500 TT and 50 ME. Which is interesting that we're even posting jobs cause supposedly all our classes are filled until September and crazy ol' Bobby Trout says that the classes are with 4-5 people max.

Make of it what you will....


Really? Wow. 4-5 people max. That is interesting. I know a new class just started ground recently, not sure of how many people are in it, but I believe it was at the very least 10 or more from when I took a poke inside the window.

Not good.

crewdawg 05-17-2008 02:34 PM

All the way up to 500/50......holy crap I wish they would have been that low when I was trying to get a job!

flynwmn 05-17-2008 02:40 PM

I think Im bringing them down from chicken land on tuesday. Nothing like a 5:50 show to get to ground school.

whatthe6789 05-17-2008 04:57 PM

Our new class has 17 people in it right now, and yeah, we all came down to CLT on wed. morning, some on the 550 flight and some at 650, which ironically got to CLT about 3-4 hours before the flight that left at 650... chicken land... haha

whatthe6789 05-17-2008 04:58 PM

oh, and included in that 17 is a pilot from Allegheny who hasnt flown for Piedmont since the takeover, not sure if hes an FO or a Capt

CactusCrew 05-17-2008 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by whatthe6789 (Post 385392)
oh, and included in that 17 is a pilot from Allegheny who hasnt flown for Piedmont since the takeover, not sure if hes an FO or a Capt

bet that's going to be a tough refresher course ...

:eek:

coop77 05-17-2008 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by naley70b (Post 385021)
???

Why PSA has upgrade mins equivalent to those of ATP mins and they havn't had any incidents.

Part 135 guys fly more technical stuff than we do and while they have a hire incident rate than that of the 121 world its not nearly as dangerous as everyone thinks.

Naley- Comparing PSA's upgrade req's to ours is pointless. Flying an RJ is nothing like flying a Dash, and though I'm sure to get some argument on this one....I dare say that the skill level required to fly a Dash safely when sheeeott hits the fan is a whole different game than an RJ. A lowering of the 3000-hr upgrade requirement should require that the safety briefing cards include saying a prayer prior to every pushback. One thing I do know: My family and freinds will not be onboard. That's for dizzamn sure.

bassslayer 05-18-2008 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by coop77 (Post 385510)
Naley- Comparing PSA's upgrade req's to ours is pointless. Flying an RJ is nothing like flying a Dash, and though I'm sure to get some argument on this one....I dare say that the skill level required to fly a Dash safely when sheeeott hits the fan is a whole different game than an RJ. A lowering of the 3000-hr upgrade requirement should require that the safety briefing cards include saying a prayer prior to every pushback. One thing I do know: My family and freinds will not be onboard. That's for dizzamn sure.


I love how people assume an RJ is so much easier to fly simply because it has more automation. Not that it is hard to fly once you used to it, but it seems turbo propr drivers automatically assume flying a turbo prop is harder. Maybe it is, I don't know. I do know the people I have flown with that have flown the Dash say it is not. True, you have less automation and your flying lower so your stuck in the weather more. I'll give you that. But your flying also flying an airplane that is a lot slower. Id be willing to bet that a Dash is more forgiving than an RJ, especially if you get behind it.

flyviper 05-18-2008 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by bassslayer (Post 385591)
I love how people assume an RJ is so much easier to fly simply because it has more automation. Not that it is hard to fly once you used to it, but it seems turbo propr drivers automatically assume flying a turbo prop is harder. Maybe it is, I don't know. I do know the people I have flown with that have flown the Dash say it is not. True, you have less automation and your flying lower so your stuck in the weather more. I'll give you that. But your flying also flying an airplane that is a lot slower. Id be willing to bet that a Dash is more forgiving than an RJ, especially if you get behind it.

Can you guys hold 180kts til' 3 mile final? =) J/K.

PropPiedmont 05-18-2008 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by bassslayer (Post 385591)
I love how people assume an RJ is so much easier to fly simply because it has more automation. Not that it is hard to fly once you used to it, but it seems turbo propr drivers automatically assume flying a turbo prop is harder. Maybe it is, I don't know. I do know the people I have flown with that have flown the Dash say it is not. True, you have less automation and your flying lower so your stuck in the weather more. I'll give you that. But your flying also flying an airplane that is a lot slower. Id be willing to bet that a Dash is more forgiving than an RJ, especially if you get behind it.

I definitely know that flying a 737 is easier than the Dash-8. Especially when an engine fails.

PropPiedmont 05-18-2008 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by flyviper (Post 385805)
Can you guys hold 180kts til' 3 mile final? =) J/K.

Better yet, can you keep an RJ clean to a 3 mile final and still land?

ExperimentalAB 05-18-2008 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by PropPiedmont (Post 385950)
Better yet, can you keep an RJ clean to a 3 mile final and still land?

Heck yeah...if you cheat on the glide-slope :D

And for those who think flying a Jet is easier than a Prop, well you're right. No argument there, folks. These CRJ's are one monkey away from flying themselves...

SmoothOnTop 05-18-2008 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by flyviper (Post 385805)
Can you guys hold 180kts til' 3 mile final? =) J/K.

In the -, you'd probably have to be clean, max power and 15 degrees A.N.D. to hold 180 knots anywhere :)...

Any 1900 drivers want to chime in about 248 knots inside of a three mile final?

ExperimentalAB 05-18-2008 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 386027)
In the -, you'd probably have to be clean, max power and 15 degrees A.N.D. to hold 180 knots anywhere :)...

Any 1900 drivers want to chime in about 248 knots inside of a three mile final?

What is this 248-knot business?? Enlighten the un-enlightened, please ;)

FlyingPoke 05-18-2008 08:32 PM

Sorry to distract from the jet/prop argument... but I checked APC to check out Colgan and found this...

(Last updated May 18, 2008)

Hiring.

Minimums: 1,00TT/100ME

... confirmed on their website

Brendan 05-18-2008 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingPoke (Post 386047)
Sorry to distract from the jet/prop argument... but I checked APC to check out Colgan and found this...

(Last updated May 18, 2008)

Hiring.

Minimums: 1,00TT/100ME

... confirmed on their website

It's a good thing I enjoy instructing...

SmoothOnTop 05-21-2008 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 386037)
What is this 248-knot business?? Enlighten the un-enlightened, please ;)

the mighty beech 1900 airliner max indicated speed...

ML64711 05-21-2008 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 385962)
Heck yeah...if you cheat on the glide-slope :D

And for those who think flying a Jet is easier than a Prop, well you're right. No argument there, folks. These CRJ's are one monkey away from flying themselves...


maybe the CRJ should be on the next Geico caveman commercial

saabguy493 05-21-2008 06:35 PM

Saab can do 250 unitl 3 out, well some of them can.... Most dowtys yes, ANY ham stands NO!

CubCAPTAIN 05-21-2008 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by saabguy493 (Post 388195)
Saab can do 250 unitl 3 out, well some of them can.... Most dowtys yes, ANY ham stands NO!

big forward slip makes up the difference :)

coop77 05-21-2008 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by flyviper (Post 385805)
Can you guys hold 180kts til' 3 mile final? =) J/K.

180 knots till a 3-mile final? Haha. We take the Dash to a 2-mile final at 180 all the time. Not a problem. That's the difference. With a Dash, you have to actually "fly" it. In CLT for example, at 9000' abeam the numbers you're cleared for the visual. You can make your standard 45deg downwind to base turn and hit the numbers if you know what you're doing. That's what the Dash'll do.

gijoe411 05-22-2008 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by coop77 (Post 388275)
180 knots till a 3-mile final? Haha. We take the Dash to a 2-mile final at 180 all the time. Not a problem. That's the difference. With a Dash, you have to actually "fly" it. In CLT for example, at 9000' abeam the numbers you're cleared for the visual. You can make your standard 45deg downwind to base turn and hit the numbers if you know what you're doing. That's what the Dash'll do.

oh man, i did a charlotte slam dunk yesterday, nose pitched 15 down gear and flaps out, props max power out, to catch the glideslope, its amazing it will hold 120 running down hill like that. and nobody was lined up on 36R to watch...

cessna172heavy 05-22-2008 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by gijoe411 (Post 388613)
oh man, i did a charlotte slam dunk yesterday, nose pitched 15 down gear and flaps out, props max power out, to catch the glideslope, its amazing it will hold 120 running down hill like that. and nobody was lined up on 36R to watch...

Sounds fun, looks like I missed out on some good times in a t-prop.

ExperimentalAB 05-22-2008 11:01 AM

cessna172 is that a Rans Coyote in your Avatar?? Get some more posts so we can PM.

ExperimentalAB 05-22-2008 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 388088)
the mighty beech 1900 airliner max indicated speed...

What?! :eek: An airliner that can't do 250? Are you pulling my chain?!


Originally Posted by ML64711 (Post 388102)
maybe the CRJ should be on the next Geico caveman commercial

Heck yes!

XJPILOT1 05-22-2008 06:07 PM

Do Not!!!!! Dis The Mighty Saab!!!!!!!!

XJPILOT1 05-22-2008 06:08 PM

The CRJ....So easy even a Caveman can fly it!!!!

bradeku1008 05-22-2008 06:13 PM

The Sabb...So slow even I can out run it!!!::D

stanherman 05-22-2008 06:34 PM

Shorts 360 for all regional carriers.thatd be sweet.

XJPILOT1 05-22-2008 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by bradeku1008 (Post 388993)
The Sabb...So slow even I can out run it!!!::D

HeHe ya....:p

tangoindia 05-28-2008 02:48 PM

Does any of you guys have the link (youtube) for the piedmont captain that is always bit$%#$ from his hotel room. I got a friend that just got in and can't wait to show him his "Captain"

threegreen 05-28-2008 03:07 PM

oh that guy works for PDT??? oh wow

H46Bubba 05-28-2008 03:11 PM

No way! I always thought that guy was a crusty AAA captain!

tangoindia 05-28-2008 03:13 PM

Well...I think he does.


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