Lipitor
05-11-2007, 09:40 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by CaptainMark
this debate could go on for 100 pages...there are theories out there about how cholesterol sticks to the arteries...most believe that when u scar your arteries the cholesterol sticks to the scarring and causes blockage...if u don't have scarred arteries then the cholesterol, no matter how high, will flow right thru...that's why people with low cholesterol have heart attacks as well...so don't scar your arteries! google "scarred arteries" and it usually comes down to one reason...chlorine....go to home depot and get a filter for your shower and NEVER drink tap water
"The first thing is that people don't drink enough water. Everyone knows this. The second thing is that all water that we drink is incredibly toxic. All tap water has chemicals put in it, primarily chlorine and fluoride. The level of toxicity of both chlorine and fluoride is incredible. Drinking of chlorinated water, which is virtually all tap water, causes scarring of the arteries. When the arteries are scarred, the LDL cholesterol attaches itself to the artery causing arteriosclerosis. It is the same as Mother Earth and her streams. When they get polluted with debris, logs, brush etc, then they get clogged and also pick up other trash that we throw into her body."
"The first thing is that people don't drink enough water. Everyone knows this. The second thing is that all water that we drink is incredibly toxic. All tap water has chemicals put in it, primarily chlorine and fluoride. The level of toxicity of both chlorine and fluoride is incredible. Drinking of chlorinated water, which is virtually all tap water, causes scarring of the arteries. When the arteries are scarred, the LDL cholesterol attaches itself to the artery causing arteriosclerosis. It is the same as Mother Earth and her streams. When they get polluted with debris, logs, brush etc, then they get clogged and also pick up other trash that we throw into her body."
05-21-2007, 04:57 AM
#12
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I'm not going to join the "should you" debate as that decision is past history for me. If you do go on the statin pills, several things to look out for:
1. There are many statin drugs. It's like Baskin Robbins. You may find one drug kicks your butt (they are hard on your liver & kidneys) while another is well tolerated. Be ready to switch and give yourself some time off to try them out. Don't take a new drug just before you show up for a trip! If you react to it in flight and get sidelined by your flying partner you will have a he11 of a mess to clean up with the FAA. Time on the beach is your friend when starting out.
2. One you find one that works for you, get a note from the prescribing doctor to give your AME. This note has to say (1) the drug controls the symptoms and (2) has no side effects. That's all the FAA wants to know on this issue.
The AME gave it about 5 seconds when we got to that part of the form and I gave him the note.
1. There are many statin drugs. It's like Baskin Robbins. You may find one drug kicks your butt (they are hard on your liver & kidneys) while another is well tolerated. Be ready to switch and give yourself some time off to try them out. Don't take a new drug just before you show up for a trip! If you react to it in flight and get sidelined by your flying partner you will have a he11 of a mess to clean up with the FAA. Time on the beach is your friend when starting out.
2. One you find one that works for you, get a note from the prescribing doctor to give your AME. This note has to say (1) the drug controls the symptoms and (2) has no side effects. That's all the FAA wants to know on this issue.
The AME gave it about 5 seconds when we got to that part of the form and I gave him the note.
06-12-2007, 04:39 PM
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Question guys - I have a friend from the military who was on Lipitor and a blood pressure prescription too (I don't know what it is). He is in the process now of getting off active duty and interviewing with some majors. When he got his Class 1, he never mentioned these drugs to his AME - he got his medical without any problems. If he takes a blood/urine test after getting hired - will they know he's on these prescriptions? I told him he should not try to pull this off, just in case. What will happen, any ideas?
06-12-2007, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ripeagle
Question guys - I have a friend from the military who was on Lipitor and a blood pressure prescription too (I don't know what it is). He is in the process now of getting off active duty and interviewing with some majors. When he got his Class 1, he never mentioned these drugs to his AME - he got his medical without any problems. If he takes a blood/urine test after getting hired - will they know he's on these prescriptions? I told him he should not try to pull this off, just in case. What will happen, any ideas?
Ouch. He may or may not be in a world of hurt...
The standard DOT urinalysis would probably not see that stuff (as far as I know) since it only looks for a narrow set of contraband drugs. I have no way of knowing if it might interfere with those results however.
A more significant issue would be with major airlines who do extensive physicals...who knows what they test for (they might not tell you).
And the real kicker is the issue about falsifying an FAA form...potential fines and prison. DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT just "come clean" to the FAA or an AME...that could easily result in prosecution, that would be typical of the FAA.
Maybe your friend should contact an aviation/medical attorney and get some advice. These guys may be able to give him advice also, they are ex-AME's so they are not obligated to rat you out to the feds: http://www.aviationmedicine.com/
Hypothetically speaking, here's the only way I can think of to undo this situation (I am NOT recommending this):
1) Try really hard to get hold of your original military medical records and take them home with you forever (maybe check them out and "lose" them). This will eliminate the paper trail. Don't worry about the reserves, all they need is a copy of your shot card and they'll build a new record.
2) Do you have a friend who's an MD/DO? That would help, but not critical.
3) Go off your meds long enough to get your BP and cholesterol back up some. Get a physical done, including blood work. Have the Dr. document the physical and put you back on meds.
4) Go to an AME and report your "newly diagnosed" condition and medications.
