Originally Posted by WhisperJet (Post 3787423)

so if it’s such a cake job would you contend we are overpaid?

Originally Posted by WhisperJet (Post 3787423)

so if it’s such a cake job would you contend we are overpaid?

Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3787362)

There has long been a trend toward overmedicating mental and emotional conditions, rather than treating the root, and much of the time, it's not chemical. But therein runs the schism between psychology and psychiatry.

A disturbing effort seems to be a growing undercurrent that wants to legitimize mental and emotional conditions to make them paletable and acceptable for flight, the idea being that pilots will reveal them if they think they can fly with that condition. In many cases, thy shouldn't be flying with that condition; the FAA. knows it. The pilot knows it. The pilot hides it to prevent the FAA from knowing about it, and grounding the pilot, when the pilot should be grounded.

The FAA is concerned about medication, but in all cases, the chief concern is the underlying condition for which the medication is taken.

Far more go without medication than with; the undiagnosed or untreated go absent aids or a course of therapy, whether pharmaceutical, counseling, or otherwise. It does no one any good to explain away the condition as the result of a flying career. The blam game only goes so far, and does nothing for diagnosis, let alone treatment. Aviation Induced Divorce Syndrome is not a thing; it's a farce spoken among those too weak to own up to the responsibility for the fialure of their own marriage, and the inability to own it leads to failure to move past, and anger...which turned inward, is depression, and worse. The career is an easy scapegoat. The same is true of porn addiction, gambling addiction, alcohol, drugs, etc. The career is low-hanging fruit, but to hide behind the fringe of hours and hotels and time on the road is to lie to one's self, and a failure to own. The victim of self is the apologist, and the apology is stale, but rampant.

Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 3787385)

Mental health is not exclusively but primarily a result of the luxury of having First World problems.
Orphaned child soldiers in the Sudan don’t have time for this.

Originally Posted by PineappleXpres (Post 3787477)

Meds held you when the train has so far left the station that CBT won’t do a thing. Stress on the brain and nervous system are well known and studied. It’s rarely pathological. Just need to slow the train down so you can life coach, CBT, etc.



The pressure of not meeting societal expectations and our own expectations is real. Que japanese cubical worker leaping. Orphaned child soldiers will have anxiety and depression from the PTSD when their life slows down and they are out of survival mode. Que the American soldier who makes it back and eats breakfast at a Waffle House.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3787701)

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ns-2024-04-01/


FAA appointed advisory panel recommends that "talk therapy" not trigger the mandatory reporting requirement.

Also suggests a grandfather/amnesty for past mental health issues.

Originally Posted by PilotdadCJDCMD (Post 3787712)

Great news! I am in the middle of this right now (disclosing past omissions). Hopefully this policy is implemented. It's a step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3787775)

Yours was decidedly not a case of an airline pilot driven to madness, depression, or "anxiety."

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/pilot-health/146154-decided-come-clean-faa.html

You didn't disclose treatment received while a military helicopter pilot, and later elected to disclose it. Yours was not the result of the hard, difficult, arduous airline life with it's "endless" nights in hotels and the overnights. Yours was combat-related, and your FAA disclosure, detailed in the above-linked thread, simply revealing what you didn't tell the FAA at the outset, prior to beginning your cargo airline career.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3787854)

The advisory panel's recommendation was not exclusively applicable to pilots who incurred mental health problems in the line of 121 duty.

Originally Posted by Pilot1001 (Post 3782676)

I'm sure we all know that our job isn't overly conduvice to a healthy lifestyle. As a UK based skipper of over 10 years & big interest in mental health, I spent the last few months putting together lots of facts, stats and information about how the job role affects airline pilots mental & physical health. ... If any current or ex airline pilots have anything they think is missing from it or would make a nice addition, would you be so kind as to discuss below so it can be added?

Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 3787699)

Of course you’re not incorrect and we’re not Sudan and we’re not Japan either.
Im asking you to consider the possibility of tens of thousands of pilots having flown hundreds of thousands of hours while having had to deal with adult stuff.
Not every single thing has to be diagnosed.