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AirBear 06-27-2024 02:18 PM

FAA removes Check Pilot Medical Requirements
 
Basically what this says is if you're not a required crewmember then you don't need to hold a medical. This might open up some jobs to those who have lost their medicals.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...al-requirement

TiredSoul 06-27-2024 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by AirBear (Post 3815206)
Basically what this says is if you're not a required crewmember then you don't need to hold a medical. This might open up some jobs to those who have lost their medicals.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...al-requirement

They cleared up inconsistencies in the language.
A check airmen that can’t perform half the duties is hardly worth the trouble:
  • initial linecheck
  • newhire IOE
  • requalify linecheck
  • you can’t fail a linecheck on the outbound as you’ve got no one qualified to fly the plane back.

AirBear 06-28-2024 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 3815272)
They cleared up inconsistencies in the language.
A check airmen that can’t perform half the duties is hardly worth the trouble:
  • initial linecheck
  • newhire IOE
  • requalify linecheck
  • you can’t fail a linecheck on the outbound as you’ve got no one qualified to fly the plane back.

Good point about failing a linecheck or busting on any other check done in the aircraft.

rickair7777 06-29-2024 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by AirBear (Post 3815444)
Good point about failing a linecheck or busting on any other check done in the aircraft.

If it's a recurrent linecheck, that's not very likely to happen. I can think of just one that I was aware of and both crew got grounded anyway.

That's what this would be useful for, recurrent linechecks, airlines have to do a lot of them.

From the union perspective we'd prefer to have such no-medical LCA drawn from the ranks of those out on medical disability. Don't really want random line checks from third parties (already get that from the FAA).

TiredSoul 06-29-2024 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3815699)
If it's a recurrent linecheck, that's not very likely to happen. I can think of just one that I was aware of and both crew got grounded anyway.

That's what this would be useful for, recurrent linechecks, airlines have to do a lot of them.

From the union perspective we'd prefer to have such no-medical LCA drawn from the ranks of those out on medical disability. Don't really want random line checks from third parties (already get that from the FAA).

Same as with the no-medical required CFI, if you think about it how much can they really do?

jetlaggy 06-29-2024 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by AirBear (Post 3815206)
Basically what this says is if you're not a required crewmember then you don't need to hold a medical. This might open up some jobs to those who have lost their medicals.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2024-06-27/faa-removes-check-pilot-medical-requirement


Wonder if will remove medical requirement to jumpseat

rickair7777 06-29-2024 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by jetlaggy (Post 3815724)
Wonder if will remove medical requirement to jumpseat

I don't think that's actually an FAA requirement? At previous airlines both non-pilot execs and LTD pilots with no medical could jumpseat.

At my current airline, I know the CEO jumpseats and I doubt he has a medical.

Probably just a company thing?

jetlaggy 06-29-2024 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3815785)
I don't think that's actually an FAA requirement? At previous airlines both non-pilot execs and LTD pilots with no medical could jumpseat.

At my current airline, I know the CEO jumpseats and I doubt he has a medical.

Probably just a company thing?

Prob...or maybe just when you cross companies...dunno

TiredSoul 06-30-2024 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3815785)
I don't think that's actually an FAA requirement? At previous airlines both non-pilot execs and LTD pilots with no medical could jumpseat.

At my current airline, I know the CEO jumpseats and I doubt he has a medical.

Probably just a company thing?

It was always my understanding that as JS you are considered a crew member regardless of seating and as such you’re required to hold the medical.
Now I could be totally wrong on that.

Peabody17 06-30-2024 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 3815873)
It was always my understanding that as JS you are considered a crew member regardless of seating and as such you’re required to hold the medical.
Now I could be totally wrong on that.

How about all of the FAA maintenance, avionics, and cabin safety Inspectors who don't hold a medical?

TiredSoul 06-30-2024 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Peabody17 (Post 3815878)
How about all of the FAA maintenance, avionics, and cabin safety Inspectors who don't hold a medical?

Are they to be considered crew members in case of calamities?

rickair7777 06-30-2024 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 3815873)
It was always my understanding that as JS you are considered a crew member regardless of seating and as such you’re required to hold the medical.
Now I could be totally wrong on that.

Maybe management pilots were considered observers not crew members. Although the FOM clearly stated that company pilots needed only a pilot cert and badge, but no medical.

But you can also do flight instruction without a medical, as long as the legally required crew compliment is present and qualified.

RJSAviator76 07-01-2024 04:32 AM

At Southwest, our sim instructors are not on our seniority list and by our contract, they aren't allowed to conduct any checking events - only training, and a good number of them no longer have their medical.

Our sim instructors have regular access to our jumpseats.

jetlaggy 07-01-2024 04:39 AM

Looks like each company can decide who uses their own jumpseats...but what about using a different company's jumpseat.


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