Classless Recruiters PSA
 

Sending out emails/facebook etc to Expressjet folks that you are now having an "Open House" in Atlanta next week and to come join your awesome team. Really classless the way your pathetic recruiters are "poaching" these guys this soon. Truly pathetic!

Sorry I'm failing to see the point of your disdain here. "Poaching" aka "headhunting" happens in every industry, in every industrialized nation on the planet, and can be argued that it drives wages and benefits upward. If the recruiters are being forthright and honest about representing their respective companies then what's the big deal? It's up to the applicant to sign on the dotted line. So I don't know where this "poaching" idea comes from" We don't have press gangs in the industry....yet

It can also be argued that XJT (my original 121 outfit for which I hold in high regard btw) is a destressed carrier at this point and is a **** deal for a lot of people over there right now.

You have a beef with Delta or SWA holding "open houses" too?

There is a right and wrong time. Way to soon!

So whats the appropriate timeline for PSA to invite XJT guys to attend a purely voluntary open house to simply find out more info about PSA?

Is it before or after people start losing thier jobs?

Seriously? Are you that clueless? The obvious motivation behind this event is not to "assist" these pilots. It's business and I get that. However, common sense should tell your recruiters that setting up this event less than a week after the announcement shows really poor discernment. Many that have received this email are a bit disgusted by its timing. The fortunate thing is that all ASA pilots have positions waiting for them at XJT and with the American flying and none are losing their jobs as you say. The unfortunate part will be the displacements for many! (pilots)

There's a big difference between a Delta or SWA open house and what PSA is doing. With those airlines the "headhunting" involve a move to a major carrier with huge increases in salary, contract terms, and qol.

PSA on the other hand is just acting like the ugly person in the bar trying to snag some meat at closing time.

Easy there, killer. I'm trying to have a reasonable and civil conversation on APC (I know, **** me, right?)

Clearly this isn't your first rodeo, and you've seen this before. I mean are you really surprised? Like regional airlines doing **** like this actually surprises you? Come on, man. XJT would do the same thing if the tables are turned, just like any other airline. It's all about bodies in seats and they don't really care how they go about doing it.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether PSA really NEEDS to do an open house or not. XJT guys and gals have been kicked in the juevos enough to the point where it's probably not even necessary. Look, some are going to find the email distasteful and say "**** those guys" and not go, and some will see an opportunity and attend. So what? It is self serving in PSA's part? Totally. Again, so what? It's business and you know as well as I do that management doesn't give a **** if something will upset a pilot group. You may not like it, but I'm pretty sure more than a couple of guys a XJT aren't really concerned about that YOU think, because they have their families to look after first. And they're probably pretty ****ed off and frustrated too. I would be.

But go ahead and be upset, I guess. I'm sure recruiting departments industry wide will have a change of heart based on your disdain for PSA's open house and just not hire XJT guys because it ****es you off.

I'm pretty sure based on your prior experience and general disdain for PSA, you'd have a negative view of pretty much anything they'd do. They could be handing out ice cream to homeless kids and you say they're encouraging childhood obesity.

And hey, for some people making a lateral move to another regional is an increase to pay, contract terms, and QOL. It's all relative.

Fair enough, I wouldn't say my opinion is unbiased at all. I also wouldn't tell you I've never been the ugly person in the bar at the end of the night.

I agree, when I left PSA DEC to become a GoJet DEC I had an increase in pay, contract terms, and quality of life.

See? To each their own. Which is the point I'm trying to make in all of this. Glad it worked out for you. Really, I mean that.

These days PSA Pilot Recruiting is driven far more by the office goons in DAY than by anyone else. I mean, their newly announced head pilot recruiter has zero listed in experience in either aviation or recruiting.

PSA Office logic for you......

IDK about their current recruiting head. I know when I interviewed back in Nov 2016 PSA appeared to be a reasonable company doing reasonable operations in the "Regional Aviation Business World."

I was also at a Endeavor interview on the 9th when Endeavor announced both additional 3 CR 700's and 16/17 CR900 coming from XJT, and the opening of a ATLANTA CR7/900 Pilot Base.

So who is poaching from whom? How do you feel about Endeavors (DL WO) announcement?

Given that Endeavor should earn your word much more than PSA - yet are you not going to bite the hand that feeds you?

Can you see some issues with your earlier rant?

For those at XJT it is great to finally have companies who will fight over you.

BTW Republic has increased its bonus just for current 121 pilots to come over. Are you angry at them for trying to recruit pilots as well?

It appears that this is just a persona touchy subject with you.

Remember back in 2008 and we could not buy a job? About about after 9/11? Any and ever other major "recession or political whim???"

It isn't my 1st rodeo either. Best wishes to all.

It's likely demand driven... all of the Wholly Owned pilot recruitment offices have been swamped by XJT pilots looking to jump ship. With the new integrated seniority list, I've got a friend who lost 1000#s overnight. They're a lot closer to the bottom in the event of the furlough if XJTs remaining contract flying isn't enough to provide work for the pilots it has remaining at the company after the Exodus.

Don't get mad at the airlines extending your pilot group an olive branch by making it easy to transition, you may be needing them one day if XJT looses more contracts.

PSA has been hiring lots of XJT pilots in the last week. I have heard that there have been numerous hired via Skype this week, with more scheduled to interview next week.

For pilots based in the Southeast (anywhere near Atlanta), PSA is an obvious choice.

I am sorry that you are hurt by this, but this is how every industry works.

If AA cancelled the contract and then tried to pick up the pilots at their WO, that would be offensive. But that didn't happen here. Delta (well, SkyWest management to be exact) just made some decisions that will hurt a lot of pilots. All PSA did was to say that IF you want to come here, we will make it easy.

There was one XJT guy that applied and did a Skype interview the next day. He was offered any available class, and he picked one starting the following week. He was scheduled to be off at XJT, so gave his two week notice and will be at PSA before his 2 week notice is even up.

There is nothing wrong with that. A pilot that was in a bad situation at a sinking company that will likely have more cuts in the future will have a stable job at a stable company with good pay and benefits. Heck, he will likely upgrade in less than a year and have a flow waiting for him in 6-7 years if he wants it.

The difference between PSA and 9E is that Endeavor isn't circling the waters in Atlanta, setting up Open Houses aimed at pilots - yet. XJT is working WITH 9E, B6, and DL to set up interviews and seminars over the next few weeks for pilots to explore their options.

Now, that said, I have heard there's been an uptick in EV guys coming through our recruiting offices at the HDQ in MN. The decision to move the flying was solely based on performance. Mainline partners can choose to shift airplanes to carriers who can perform...no problems from me on that front.

This is a great option for someone who isn't hearing their phone ring from mainline/LCC/ULCC carriers. I moved from another regional to 9E last fall and haven't regretted it one second. Interviewed at 9E and PSA. Already upgraded here, so the clock is ticking on my DL interview. PSA could only say I'd be at AA in about 6 years...that'll be more than a quarter million difference in mainline pay once my time comes.

If Delta cuts the jobs, then tries to lure the pilots to another Delta carrier to start over again at the bottom of the seniority list for lower pay, that is acceptable? Really?

I'm very happy it worked for you. I'm sure it will work for many more.

My Point is that PSA is not evil. 9E opening the ATL CR7/900 base could be seen as opportunistic considering WO status.

Point of view I suppose yet I don't have a dog in the fight other than to say - welcome to the game.

Hate the game, not the players.

Just sayin

Best of luck to all.

What's the pass rate on that nowadays? Up around 50%?

Delta didn't cut the jobs. SkyWest pulled the plug on the contract a year early. Plus, they inked a huge deal with UA and added shells to their AA contract. Everyone saying that XJT cut a whole bunch of jobs is misinterpreting what is actually planned. Will pilots be displaced? Likely. Will they be furloughed? Not that I'm aware of.

Put the onus on SkyWest, not 9E.

Lol......

Yeah, that 900 base in ATL opening right about the same time as the XJT announcement, yeah, those had nothing to do with one another.


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As an former XJT guy who saw the writing on the wall and jumped ship to PSA three years ago. I would have loved to have had PSA do what they are doing now to make interviewing so easy.

If your going to be mad at somebody be mad at DA UA and AA. Ultimately they are the ones who have made regionals what they are today.

My point exactly TallFlyer.

Sorry to say it but the only people that regional crews should be mad at when stuff like this happens is themselves. Anyone can do some competent research about how the regionals came to be, and also about the why and how the majors utilize them for their benefit. The more regional crews understand the big picture the less disappointment they'll have when the music stops once in a while and chairs get taken out or re-arranged.

I personally hope pay and benefits at the regionals will improve even more in the near future or, even better, that the game will be up soon and the majors will be forced to bring the flying back . . . but if that doesn't happen they I'll do my best to be mentally and financially prepared for it.

Like ironmanndfw said, hate the game not the players. If you are knowingly willing to play ball at the regionals, then be prepared for what the game entails . . . the worst thing you can do in my book is complain about what happens in it and try to blame somebody else for a bad play, because that shows me that you just didn't do your homework.

I can see the frustration, but it's business at the end of the day. And if some ASA guys go to PSA or another regional instead of having no job to support themselves, then I'm all for it

Agree, but the lack of discernment by PSA head recruiter was pathetic as far as timing was concerned.

Regard for the reactions of the "never PSA" crowd doesn't fill seats.

We've got a couple of XJT guys in this July 31 class. They seem happy to have a job and a lump sum bonus. That's the choice they made-- maybe with the persuasion of an ad.

Well... it does look like XJT is firing back.

"Join us Thursday, August 24, 2017, from 10 a.m. – 5 p.m. at the Renaissance Concourse Hotel in Atlanta for pizza and on-site interviews."

Same place and time as the event PSA Recruiters are hosting.

And to think, I was really looking forward to XJT stopping their sending of postcards to my house... I guess the sky isn't falling after all..

Same here, I'm building a house of postcards with them so it's good to know that my construction project won't come to a screeching halt anytime soon :)

Bahahaha

I heard that PSA no-showed for the event in ATL today. The best part is that people that showed up expecting to talk to PSA recruiters ended up talking to recruiters with ExpressJet.

Way to go, PSA.

If management chooses to shoot themselves in their proverbial foot with a double barrel shotgun, I can't exactly stop them.

I haven't heard that from anyone else, but it wouldn't surprise me. I've said it before and I'll say it again... PSA has succeeded in spite of our inept management. Not because of them and their bumbling. The bubble our management operates in is almost mind-blowing in its absurdity.

Awesome! Hopefully this is true!!

Who runs the recruitment dept?
 

Asking for a friend

Ben Dover...