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Old 05-08-2018 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by joseolay
The operating cost of regional aircraft is double what it is of mainline aircraft. AA is a publicly traded company, look it up if you don't believe me. Pilots and FAs obviously get paid less, but the overall CASM is double.
That logic don't wash.

If that were true there wouldn't be scope clauses.
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Old 05-08-2018 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by joseolay
The operating cost of regional aircraft is double what it is of mainline aircraft. AA is a publicly traded company, look it up if you don't believe me. Pilots and FAs obviously get paid less, but the overall CASM is double.
I don't know where you found that information, but the regional expenses are way lower then mainline. While they primarily bundle up salaries together with mainline we all know regional employees get paid way less and the fuel and taxes are much higher for mainline.

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Old 05-08-2018 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PleaseComplete
That logic don't wash.

If that were true there wouldn't be scope clauses.
If that was the case we would all be at the mainline.
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Old 05-08-2018 | 11:29 AM
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If there’s a market that supports 40 seats/flight and revenue/flight exceeds cost/flight it’s a winner. CASM is a useful metric but it’s not particularly helpful for deciding where to stop service at the margins. That last crj flight may be profitable where a 737 wouldn’t be.
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Old 05-08-2018 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
If there’s a market that supports 40 seats/flight and revenue/flight exceeds cost/flight it’s a winner. CASM is a useful metric but it’s not particularly helpful for deciding where to stop service at the margins. That last crj flight may be profitable where a 737 wouldn’t be.
It's actually very useful if we're simply looking at the cost, not profit. That's exactly what I was referring to in all the posts. Cost per Available Seat Mile will always be lower at the regional compared to the mainline.
Salaries, Benefits, Fuel Cost and hence Taxes are bound to be lower.

Now, RASM and net profit are a different story. It does get more complicated.
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Old 05-08-2018 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MaCrOs
Cost per Available Seat Mile will always be lower at the regional compared to the mainline.
https://seekingalpha.com/filing/3723642

See the AA SEC filing. mainline CASM is about 10 cents, regional is 16.

If you only have 40 customers, it's still cheaper to fly a 60 seat plane at 0.16/ASM than a 120 seat plane at 0.10/ASM.
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Old 05-08-2018 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MaCrOs
If that was the case we would all be at the mainline.
think you got it backwards son.

Scope clauses protect mainline flying from turning into regional flying.
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Old 05-08-2018 | 12:31 PM
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I was mistaken. Had a completely different metric on my mind. Thanks for educating me.

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Old 05-08-2018 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MaCrOs
It's actually very useful if we're simply looking at the cost, not profit. That's exactly what I was referring to in all the posts. Cost per Available Seat Mile will always be lower at the regional compared to the mainline.

You got it completely backwards.

Three CRJ200s move the same amount of people as one A320. What costs more to move the same amount of people around? The one A320 or three CRJ200s? The one A320 is obviously cheaper.

I don't think you understand the meaning of CASM - seat for seat and mile for mile.
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Old 05-08-2018 | 02:19 PM
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RJ have a higher CASM in general in comparison to mainline a/c due to amount of seats which costs can be spread across. The kicker is can the airline a achieve RASM that equal to/greater than the CASM for a particular flight. RASM =/> CASM means the flight will break even or make a profit.

There many more variables with running RJ vs mainline on particular routes. But it is IMHO that it would be cheaper for mainline to absorb all regional flying to achieve synergy from top down.


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