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Irishblackbird 05-20-2018 08:41 AM

What would you like to see in the LOA?
 
We have all heard the speculation of what could be forced on us by the company and the union, but I would like to hear what our pilots would like to see. To my knowledge the union has never solicited us for our thoughts on the matter. So here ya go, the floor is yours, let's hear what you got!

Stratapilot 05-20-2018 10:02 AM

I’d rather not negotiate in public but that’s just me. If we get a vote then vote ye conscience at the appropriate time. If we don’t get a vote....then torches and pitchforks. That’s all I have to say about that...

blackhawk88 05-20-2018 10:38 AM

Are you with the union or simply just wondering what our opinions are?

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Swakid8 05-20-2018 11:03 AM

This is going to be interesting


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Irishblackbird 05-21-2018 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by blackhawk88 (Post 2598284)
Are you with the union or simply just wondering what our opinions are?

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Nope, just a dues paying pilot here. Curious as to what our other pilots would like to see. Me... match or exceed Endeavor's pay, trip and duty rigs, unrestricted SAP, scrap and rewrite our reserve rules, and a vote. Otherwise walk away until the contract is amenable, and let market forces prevail.

blackhawk88 05-21-2018 10:54 AM

I agree with most of what you've said.
  • Minimum day of 5 hrs/day for a 20 hr 4 day)
  • 100% DH pay
  • Sick time accrual of 5 hrs/month
  • $2.1/hr non-taxable per diem ($50/full day)

As far as reserve rules go...
  • DEFINITELY (PLEASE!!) No airport reserve (If Republic and other majors can perform without it, so can any regional)
  • Be able to commute in during on-call period
  • Upon finishing a reserve assignment, be released or be immediately assigned more flight duty scheduled to depart within 3 hours of previous block in
  • No more than 2 nights away from domicile if you're on reserve
  • Minimum of 12 days off; 80 hr guarantee
  • Restrict lineholders from picking up open time within 72 hours of trip report time and allow lineholders to pick up open time trips that are within their RAP between 72-48 hrs before report time. Pay protection for trips picked up during such window.

If the negotiations fall short of what I stated above specifically for the reserve section, I'll be very disappointed. It'll be far from industry leading and if it were to go through, the entire airline industry will be disappointed at PSA for dragging the industry behind.

Irishblackbird 05-21-2018 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by blackhawk88 (Post 2598955)
I agree with most of what you've said.
  • Minimum day of 5 hrs/day for a 20 hr 4 day)
  • 100% DH pay
  • Sick time accrual of 5 hrs/month
  • $2.1/hr non-taxable per diem ($50/full day)

As far as reserve rules go...
  • DEFINITELY (PLEASE!!) No airport reserve (If Republic and other majors can perform without it, so can any regional)
  • Be able to commute in during on-call period
  • Upon finishing a reserve assignment, be released or be immediately assigned more flight duty scheduled to depart within 3 hours of previous block in
  • No more than 2 nights away from domicile if you're on reserve
  • Minimum of 12 days off; 80 hr guarantee
  • Restrict lineholders from picking up open time within 72 hours of trip report time and allow lineholders to pick up open time trips that are within their RAP between 72-48 hrs before report time. Pay protection for trips picked up during such window.

If the negotiations fall short of what I stated above specifically for the reserve section, I'll be very disappointed. It'll be far from industry leading and if it were to go through, the entire airline industry will be disappointed at PSA for dragging the industry behind.

Outstanding points, this is exactly why I posted this thread. I like to see what others are thinking, completely forgot about DH pay and our perdiem. If Im not mistaken, I believe our perdiem was supposed to increase, but it was negotiated away in an LOA for a large jet order.

WhiteMorpheus 05-21-2018 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by blackhawk88 (Post 2598955)
I agree with most of what you've said.
  • Minimum day of 5 hrs/day for a 20 hr 4 day)
  • 100% DH pay
  • Sick time accrual of 5 hrs/month
  • $2.1/hr non-taxable per diem ($50/full day)

A good min calendar day (without our current stipulations) would really shine on 2-days, but good Rigs seem far important to me than the 100% DH or Min day.

A 3.5:1 trip rig pays 6:51 per 24 hour TAFB, much higher than 5 hours per actual day. Most 4-days have 80+ hour TAFB (much less than that and it's hardly a real 4-day), which would pay 23 hours. Give me three of those and a nice 10-hour-credit 2-day and I'm set working 14 days a month for 80ish credit, or maybe I'd just SAP down to 12 days (9 nights in a hotel room) for 69-72 credit.

The risk with rigs is that we could end up flying our butts off if planning figures out this whole efficiency thing.

And, of course, I want $25/hr across the board raise.

JayBee 05-21-2018 05:15 PM

Trip and duty rigs are where its at

However NO CARVEOUTS

If I'm not at home, pay me. You don't want to have accurate push times wheel movement BS fine don't care, pay me. You want to build ****ty trips fine, pay me.

All that stuff aside, that stuff ya'll said is great and stuff but end of the day give me a de facto raise and increase that flow 15/mo MINIMUM :eek: :cool:


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