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Swakid8 06-27-2018 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by kevin18 (Post 2623294)
When does the time start and stop?



Starts the first day report time and ends at last day release time


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Making it Count 06-27-2018 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by Jma313 (Post 2623147)
It’s currently $38.88 year 1 and $40.22 year 2. You get a nice $16,520 bonus for walking in the door plus an additional $5000 for having a CL-65 type rating. The retention bonus structure is all based on the first full quarter worked. For example if you hire on in January of 18 you will not get a bonus until the beginning of Q3 in 2019. The idea is you didn’t work the full first quarter of the previous year. That would mean if you weren’t fOrced to upgrade you would get bonuses Q4 2019, Q1 2020 and Q2 2020 to get you to the $10,000 retention bonus.

Not a hijack but a question. So would it be wise to start working at PSA on the very last day of a quarter to maximize the possibility of receiving more of that retention bonus when it comes time? Also does the clock start On the first day of class or sometime after?

ZeroTT 06-28-2018 03:02 AM

Seniority is everything. It would be wise to start the first day possible

MarkVI 06-28-2018 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by kevin18 (Post 2623294)
When does the time start and stop?

If I recall I think the contract says it's time out to time in.

hawkman 06-28-2018 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Making it Count (Post 2623491)
Not a hijack but a question. So would it be wise to start working at PSA on the very last day of a quarter to maximize the possibility of receiving more of that retention bonus when it comes time? Also does the clock start On the first day of class or sometime after?

Probably yes, if you are considering two class dates and one fits that description it might be worth $2500 before taxes to you a year later, unless you are already upgrading, then it wouldn't matter.

Jma313 06-28-2018 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by hawkman (Post 2623659)
Probably yes, if you are considering two class dates and one fits that description it might be worth $2500 before taxes to you a year later, unless you are already upgrading, then it wouldn't matter.


If you have previous 121 time or 135 time that counts I wouldn’t plan on being an FO for very long. They are getting to the point where the people they are forcing to upgrade barely have their 1000 SIC so they will just go running down the list for qualified people. I wouldn’t worry long term about the retention bonuses I would take the seniority over $2500 personally because the QOL difference could make a huge difference in your personal life.

Vooch 06-28-2018 08:55 AM

So would you take a DEC at PDt or fast upgrade at PSA. I’m a former ca at PDT lives in MD. Would want DCA.

Vooch 06-28-2018 09:05 AM

Fastest route to AA is the goal.

irrelevant 06-28-2018 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Vooch (Post 2623743)
Fastest route to AA is the goal.

Ask the Piedmont guys how many are on their seniority list, and what their monthly or annual flow is. Their seniority list is much smaller than PSA's is, so even if they aren't flowing as many, you could well end up at AA faster there.

For reference, PSA has about 1,800 on the seniority list, and is only flowing 10/month...or about 110/year, given AA doesn't usually have a class around the holidays. That's 16 years to flow, barring outside attrition.

I realize there is outside attrition, but no one can know how much it will be, and there will be outside attrition at Piedmont as well...likely in the same proportion to what PSA will experience.

There are pilots at Piedmont hired nearly two years after I was hired at PSA, who will flow to AA before I do, simply due to the size of the pilot groups. It's all relative, and being on the bottom of a seniority list of 800 pilots is preferable to being on the bottom of a seniority list of 1,800 pilots, ceteris paribus.

Jma313 06-28-2018 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Vooch (Post 2623734)
So would you take a DEC at PDt or fast upgrade at PSA. I’m a former ca at PDT lives in MD. Would want DCA.


If you want to be a CA and DCA you can do that at PSA fast. Just understand you will be on reserve for just under 4 years probably. The flow is a hard call to make. Both have them and PSA flows more per month than PDT does but if you look at pilot group size I’m pretty sure it’s a relative percentage.


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