Much easier for Envoy and Piedmont to attract new hires when they have vastly superior flow agreements than PSA and thus less attrition as well. And Endeavor played the, “show me the money” game. I’ve maintained since day 1 that if AAG and PSA management really wanted those transfers to happen quickly they would have found a way. Personally I wouldn’t use Trans States as any metric to go by for growth but that’s just me.

It's about contingency planning. What happens if some something goes sour with Mesa? Suddenly AAG has to get a lot more CRJs flying for their DFW and PHX feed. Should they entrust this all to PSA alone? :eek:

I think eventually they'd like to segregate the fleets out by W/O carrier, but are also considering the broader implications in terms of geographic route structures and third-party FFD carriers in an industry with an uncertain future at the regional level.

Don't trust the arrogant types that claim that management is incompetent, but they have it all figured out. Those pulling the strings behind the scenes have given all this [and much more] substantial analysis. And management will also continue to out-maneuver the various labor groups every chance they get...

Sounds to me more like there is always an excuse for management not to come through. No wonder the Union always caves to them.

No excuses to be honest, just the reality of situation unfortunately for us.


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Anybody have any actual proof that envoy is keeping 700's? Last I heard we are still getting all of them, albeit delayed for the new 900 order. I can't see why AA would want Bombardier products at two of the wholly owneds when they have been preaching about having a single type at each carrier for cost savings.

Email was sent out to Envoy folks that the transfer was being temporarily halted. Makes sense because for some reason, the company just doesn't want to go to 2 a month. I think we could do 2 a month.


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for what its worth the cp i was talking with yesterday said when the new 900s come the current plan is to continue the 700 transfers and modulate the 200s to the graveyard as needed. who knows though. i would have thought they would have parked the 200s already and transferred the 700s faster.

Not quite. Planning on going down to 12 by the end of 2018, staying at 12 through summer of 2019 and reducing to 7 by December 2019

Why? Because it looks good on paper. 700s going away, 175s coming in - "heavies total" column on the spreadsheet slowly climbs.
Honestly don't think that this is how it's going to go. Latest bid had 24 vacancies for CRJ CA, between CA coming in and leaving, as the result of that bid we have net loss of 2 CAs and 13 FOs. Besides, trying to maintain 7 aircraft fleet will be silly.

Dion has said that the 200 will be around until DCA gets the new terminal built that can accommodate 900s and larger RJs. So 2021 + maybe an extra year or two...

Rumor is there's an LOA the company is sitting on that would make 2/month very easy.