Originally Posted by stillcantfly (Post 2839259)

Nope I don’t but I read how amazing it works and all the denials it does every month. And how the system crashes🤣

Originally Posted by Chunk (Post 2839105)

Line bidding, SAP, PBS...doesn’t matter if the pairings are inefficient. Garbage in, garbage out. Without a good trip/duty rig with an accompanying significant min day without carveouts, this is all academic. Until that day, I need SAP to avoid the garbage pairings

Originally Posted by Approach1260 (Post 2839481)

Giving up SAP combined with a 10 year flow for new hires would tank this company. The only reason pilots tolerate reserve here is because they know they're working towards a system that gives the most flexibility in the industry.

Without SAP be ready for 75 hour lines with 11 days off until the day you flow or quit.

With places like Spirit and Frontier signing impressive new contracts you'd be a fool to wait ten years at PSA when you could be making close to mainline rates at an LCC.

Plus if our Union is prepared to give up our biggest piece of quality of life in exchange for a bidding system we don't care about, then the writing is on the wall for us.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2839864)

Well any deal involving PBS would most likely involve a pretty dramatic increase to the flow... So it wouldn’t be 10 years to flow for a new hire.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2839864)

Well any deal involving PBS would most likely involve a pretty dramatic increase to the flow... So it wouldn’t be 10 years to flow for a new hire.

Originally Posted by Duck Sausage (Post 2839960)

Why are you so hung up on a new hires flow time?

Originally Posted by Aviationaviator (Post 2839386)

You’re laughing at the best scheduling system of any airline. I’m laughing as I get all my flying done in the first half of the month, and in the aft end of the next month getting 3-4 weeks off. I can also bid with check airmen and get displaced for IOE. Recently I flew 1 trip in over 6 weeks, still paid for my 67 credit month.

I get every holiday off, every birthday off, I get whatever schedule I want. This month I decided to make an extra grand so I’m flying more 🤷*♂️ Still have 15 off with 85 credit.

Originally Posted by WhiteMorpheus (Post 2839989)

Because along with SAP and, for the moment, our pay rates that is still the biggest recruiting tool. The company touts 6-8 years for a new hire to flow along with other "white lies," like highest pay in the segment.



If you are thinking of only how change effects you and not considering the most junior pilot or guy hired two years from now, you are being selfish. While that's your prerogative, it's that "I paid my dues give me what's mine" mentality that gets crappy contracts and LOAs.



I can be happy with what we have now, but think we could do equally as well under PBS with increased flow, good soft pay rules, and union oversight of the process (especially if we get to run the trip generator, too). Soft pay is huge. If every day is worth 4:30 or better you don't need to work 18 days a month if you don't want to.



The key is that if the company wants PBS they need to make it worth it for us. Any provision that the SAP will be retained needs to be tested for usefulness before the system goes to a vote. Loss of the SAP needs to be accompanied by some other monumental QOL tool (unlimited drops based on a legitimate staffing grid, perhaps). If you want to keep SAP and work on a transition to PBS you need to figure out how they can work together in our favor.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2839864)

Well any deal involving PBS would most likely involve a pretty dramatic increase to the flow... So it wouldn’t be 10 years to flow for a new hire.