Any rumors of class cancellations ?
 

In a bit of a predicament, have a class date in April, currently at a 135. Have to give notice NLT tomorrow to current company, but getting pretty worried about being out on the street if PSA decides to stop classes.

Anybody heard any rumors or suspect that may be coming?

How tight is staffing at your current gig? Would they be likely to take you back even after you resigned?

Been a great employee, never called out sick, always on time etc. I don’t see why not, but then again they are probably going to be at least disappointed that I’m leaving.

I really just don’t know...sure is a crap situation to be in!

Approach it just like you did here, give them your notice pending the start date of your class.

I wouldn't change anything until you hear it from the company directly, rather than internet rumors.

AA just cancelled classes after March 17th. Things are only going to trickle down. The flow is stopped and that was one of the biggest attrition variables.

Call or email the hiring folks. I just talked to them and they say that PSA is going to continue hiring.

Just email Liz. You will most likely have met her at your interview and have her email address. She should be able to calm your fears. No slowing of hiring at PSA.

AA WO regionals will probably be the last to feel much of a pinch. AA will likely cut the contract carriers and keep the WO airlines intact at all costs. Not a good time to be at a non-WO regional, but things at PSA/PDT/Envoy should remain good.

You realize contract carries have min block hours right? Wholly owns do not. They are forced to honor those contracts with them and wholly owns always historically get cut first. It’s just how it works.

a contract without caveats ? doubt it

Uh more like the opposite.

All depends on the contracts and how quickly the non-wo regionals can enforce them.

if a major quits paying, even in direct violation of a contract, it may still be the gojet bankruptcy judge fining them 4 years later

No. Just no. Sorry only reasoned I looked at PSA forum was curious for a friends kid who might be going. See 2008 example. Mesa, Republic all kept block hours. PSA and PDT then lost many block hours. Those fee for departure contracts always have and will have priority as long as FFD is around. Please don’t spread false information. Wholly owns have no block hour requirements and thus they are cut first to honor FFD carriers requirements.

I’m not spreading false information.

1) ffd contracts may well have force majeure clauses. Do we have proof otherwise?

2) different industry situation than 2008. AA has more reason to protect the WO’s long term

3) this is a big shock and majors have been known to play rough. If a major could force a regional into Chapter 7 by shutting off payments, it might be a rational response. Skywest is too big and diversified for that, but for example Air Wisconsin is not. United could just walk away and poof, no more Air Wisconsin. A contract is only valuable if there’s someone with a means to enforce it

You guys seem to think that reneging on a contract or declaring bankruptcy is quick, easy, or cheap. If one of the mainline carriers reneges on a contract, every contract for regional feed, along with contracts with who knows how many other kinds of vendors for the next 20 years will be much more expensive, because no other company will trust them not to do it again.

Cutting what you can cut legally is a much easier, cheaper, and safer way to cut costs.

Agreed it would be a bad choice. Sometimes your choices are bad and worse

the big issue is force majeure language and whether there’s room for interpretation that would let a major renege with plausible deniability

Again FFD flying won’t be reduced first. Period. That’s the only thing I’m saying you are absolutely incorrect about.

To claim there’s clauses that don’t exist etc is false. AA isn’t filing bankruptcy. If that happened it’s all open but again that’d be a long ways out as of today. Reduced wholly own block hours isn’t. Understand?

I don’t think I said that. (Mostly because I agree with you, the WO’s will be reduced first.)

What I am saying is that in extremis, the majors likely have tactically viable options if the choice is to throw themselves or someone else under the bus.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time PSA started furloughing right after hiring. I remember getting ready to fly out for an interview there and then hearing about furloughs as I was prepping. This was back in the bad old days of 2008.

I have an interview next week.

Maybe I could learn how to be a truck driver...

Or maybe you'll get hired, this virus crap will go away, and you'll have a long and excellent aviation career. Just have a backup plan, as you never know in this industry even when times are good.

Don’t forget last time (post 9/11) some regionals (Wisconsin and Skywest) loaned the Majors money. And they keep there contracts and even grew.. post 9/11 SkyWest was 1500 pilots now they are 5300. My flow after 9/11 went from a 4 year estimate to 16 years.. hunker down. No regional will be the same after this..

If I was in your position I’d stay put. The movement will be halted because no one is getting hired to other airlines for the foreseeable future. No reason to sit at the bottom of a regional with no movement.

You missed my Top Gun quote and poor attempt at humor 😂

It’ll all work out. Always does.

In hindsight, had you been in one of the first classes after the furloughs returned, you would’ve been at AA long before you made it to your current employer.

Impossible to know at the time, but the counterfactual scenarios are interesting.


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Agreed, best case scenario you sit at the bottom of the list for a while. Worst case, you’re out on the street. There won’t be much movement while this lingers, so you won’t really lose any seniority by postponing.

True, but then I'd be at AA wondering if they're going to go bankrupt (again).

Anyone hearing anything yet? Class cancellations or postponements? I have a class date scheduled in a couple of months. This is a strange time.

We haven’t heard much from the company or union yet. Only that if we are sick or think we are sick, to stay home and we will receive two weeks worth of paid leave. We can also choose to self isolate and that will be unpaid or taken from our sick bank.

Furloughs
 

I have a military buddy that said he was just furloughed from PSA. He can’t travel now due to DOD COVID-19 travel restrictions. Would it be a furlough or just a MLOA? He called it a furlough but didn’t expand on the info. It seems to me it’d more likely be just an involuntary leave of absence since he can no longer travel.
Has anyone heard of anything?

We have not furloughed as of 15:08 ET today, but who knows? Nowadays every day is like another year, so by end of day everything can change

There are no furloughs at PSA (as of right now). That is not correct information.

Everything is changing in this industry so fast, no one knows what is going to happen at any airline at this point.

I would be shocked if you get that class.

you’re buddy is an idiot if he said he was furloughed. Psa has not furloughed anyone lmao.

New hire classes are on hold. Not sure if they are using the word "cancelled" or "postponed", but either way, they aren't happening.

Sorry to all that are affected by this.

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can you confirm this? I’m supposed to have ctp atp on the 6 and class on the 20th, I think now I’m just staying where I am though as it seems furloughs are imminent even if I make the class

This was the word from the union, at least.

Thanks for the information, sad times these are.

Really? I haven’t seen anything like that come from the union. We were just notified this afternoon that the April 3% reduction in flying is going to be much more and to expect a re-bid for April. The only stop in hiring we have been notified about is to AA which in turn stopped the flow.