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PSA Airlines Petitions City to Defer Rental Payments Amid Plummeting Air Travel
https://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/n...nes-lease.html

Dayton digs their heels in, commits to furloughing all 723 pilots they have notified. Open time pots are full, some reserve grids are red most of (if not the whole) month, and they're paying out the a$$ for hotels, moving fees, and relocation costs.

So, their way to navigate a crisis is to:

• eliminate cheap junior staff
• force more-senior pilots to over-credit into premium pay
• Likely wind up with significant October Junior-Man pay
• Relocate more pilots than necessary through forced-displacement, thus paying excess in hotel fees
• Likely create a ton of TDY's to cover red grids, shelling out per-diem left and right

At the same time that they're so desperate to conserve cash-flow that they have asked Dayton to defer payments for rent by a year (in exchange for a longer lease term). Something doesn't add up. I have a hard time believing that not a single person in Dayton has ever been to business school or has such acumen.
At what point, because such point does exist, does it make sense to reduce your furlough count to avoid some of the above referenced costs? A five-year captain is more expensive than a two-year captain. A year one FO is cheaper than a year three FO.
To me, it almost looks like they staffed us predicting that we would have taken PBS, and thus, less pilots would be needed to cover the grid.
Management is exhibiting wildly erratic business policy, and none of it makes sense. We often joke about the "big picture," but at what point to we admit that Management doesn't know what they're looking at?

I sat reserve for the past 5 months and the only reserve assignment I got was an out and back. Rest of the time was spent at home, doing nothing. I’m not that senior either. You have a ton of guys getting paid 75hrs to do maybe 20 hrs. Looks like they want to go back to the old ways of getting reserve guys right up to 73ish hours and suddenly scheduling would stop calling.

I will say, with the downgrades I’ve been flying my rear end off, or sitting hrv nonstop.

I get your point though, I don’t see them being able to cover a winter IROP with the staffing we have and it seriously brings into question our long term viability with the decisions they make. I also think it’s BS they can just TDY people to avoid declaring critical pay.


also perdiem at 1.70 an hour or a 80-120$ hotel room is much cheaper than the employer contribution of payroll taxes, hourly rate at 90ish an hour, employer insurance contribution, etc...

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I’m not sure it’s a PSA level problem. I think it’s bigger than that.

https://i.ibb.co/B4JcVVs/4-B5009-FB-...210-D383-E.jpg

gotta remember, PSA management takes their marching orders from big brother in Dallas.

Well fwiw there’s at least one very large, very green reserve grid for October

Piedmont was just awarded a massive block hour increase in CLT. 2,000+ hours I think. There are older legacy CRJ700s that are coming up on heavy checks and very well could be parked to forego the upcoming expense of maintenance.

I think the signs are pointing to PSA parking more airplanes... So it won’t be that understaffed for the flying when it’s all said and done.

Not true. PDT and Mesa are both down for October and November, while we are up. Look at airportal for proof of that.

I'd say it is much more likely that we were overstaffed due to rumoured possible pre covid futures.

Post covid, initial recovery was supposed to be a two week shutdown with a measured return to normal.

Politicians selling fear and other hypochondriacs pushing the agenda, delayed recovery has pretty much tanked 2020 - we'll see post election whether we elect a fear monger or not.

FWIW - Florida governor lifted restrictions on restaurants, restaurant I took my date to last night was overflowing and packed to the gills, just like all my commuter flights...

he didn’t say when. If they were just awarded it, presumably it would be for November but more likely December.

Absolutely true. We can’t staff the flying they originally allotted us. So others will do it.

PSA furloughed to approximately 10 cremembers per plane. We have never been that efficient, so there’s no way we can utilize the flying even if we kept what we have. It’s going to be an interesting next few months.

Im just basing what I’ve seen on daily departures off the portal, but I also can see that as well. Reduce costs with furlough, get more flying, can’t staff flying cuz we furloughed so much, goes away.

Do y’all think they will use this as an excuse to combine all the Eagles? If we’re talking about inefficiency, why do we have 3 corporate headquarters for contract flying?

one regional airline with 3 types would offset some of that efficiency.

More likely they just throw one under the bus and regrow organically with the other two

doesn’t envoy have 3 types or at least did until recently?

Yeah they did. They also have some contractual items that lower the costs of operating 3 types. (No FO's bidding jet to jet, seat locks etc..)

You can’t pit one company against itself.

yeah, that’s the argument from the other side. Does streamlining some of the things all 3 do save more than whipsawing them all? My own guess is one of two things happen, the 3 stay separate but all rj flying is done by them, or they are combined and pitted against the other current outside help. I’m not smart, didn’t stay at a holiday inn last night, but these are my guesses.

If a merger of the 3 was in the stars why didn’t they already do it? Much easier to spin one or two off and then rebuild as necessary when the market demands it.

They certainly aren’t going to funnel as much flying to the WOs as possible unless they just also happen to be the cheapest. Whoever is cheapest will do the flying.

Whatever costs them the least is what they are going to do. There is no long-term strategizing happening. Only survival. That’s all that matters. They’ll do what they have to to survive.

My guess would be it'd be easier to pull a united and just shut one down, shift the planes between the other two and then send interview invites to the pilots of the closed company.

All the benefits of a merger to AA, without the headache of trying to merge management and seniority lists.

We've seen this scenario before...

https://64.media.tumblr.com/1b053765...805330623.gifv

Or shut two down. All at once two thirds of your pilots are on first year pay.

Sometimes the circumstances change. They force their hand.

say hi to Herman Caine, would ya?

the difference between first year pay and 10th year pay isn’t substantial. Work rules are the big thing.

And right now with passenger traffic less than half of what it was a year ago, they don’t need to hire everybody back. They can just drop one of them.

And there’s that fear mongering he was talking about.

A man goes out on the town one night with his woman. And he’s already got one foot in the grave.

you mean nancy pelosi, inviting everyone to come to china town in San Francisco because there was nothing to covid.

There is no question 700+ would have been furloughed 3-4 months ago if Joe’s puppeteers were in charge. Be very glad you got very specific help to prepare for furlough with a paycheck.

know who your friends are when you pull that lever.

I had 2 jumpseat folks today and just rode JS home on AA. 321

How much does it take for a (R) to turn into a socialist? $1200

Joe’s “puppeteers” were also the ones trying to push through version 2.0 (HEROS, I think)... but alas it stalled in the senate after their month long vacation. Didn’t stop the Turtle from pushing through several more conservative judges, though. Guess he found some time between swimming and sunning himself on a floating log.

Sounds like you need my 2900 I got that didn’t need...

no chance of singling out massive support for a single industry 2.0. It’d be a fools game to pursue by either party.

Take a look at constitution ( yes. It’s available to read). if you need a lesson in SCOTUS appointments. It’s Been the same since 1787.

Parties aside. I have no implicit hate of Biden. He’s just proven failure and stands for nothing. Great minds aren’t showing up to be prez. anymore. Who’d wish it on their kids.

wow, you must have missed nancy and her rap party take the summer of so she can get botox and her hair done. Nothing like a lolly pop licker.
just an opinion. Until Biden and rats get elected I still have a right.

Stop fear mongering. Been going out for months and eating out, went to a few bars, been in hundreds of terminals and hundreds of airplanes next to thousands of other people, going to retailers and grocery stores and *gasp to the beach. No Covid here. Even when numbers were surging. Go live in a hole if you want. I’ll keep living my life.

And you will still have a right even if they are elected. Chill with that drama.

This thread went sideways

"Sittin Sidewayz, Boyz In A Daze"

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Dude
Doug Parker. He seriously pleaded and begged for PSP extension. The posturing by this WO fits that narrative. They don’t want any of this. Nobody does. All of us need the PSP extension.

Paul Wall is the man

Nah, mine went straight to savings. Thanks, though.