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Jetstream 823JS 02-26-2014 02:23 PM

PSA management panicking over pilot staffing
 
A message from the PSA MEC;

Staffing Shortage Update
PSA management has recently taken a number of actions in an attempt to mitigate the pilot staffing shortage. First, management denied or canceled all Association leave for January, February, and March. Second, this weekend, management decided to hold four pilots at PSA indefinitely rather than allow them to begin a class at US Airways in March.

Third, management advised the MEC yesterday that it was canceling vacations for pilots bidding in Round 2 due to extremely short staffing in March. Section 7.H of the Collective Bargaining Agreement describes the responsibilities of pilots and the company when taking this action. As the shortage continues, further vacation cancellations may occur, so every pilot is encouraged to review the language.

Fourth, management has canceled selected recurrent training events—both ground schools and LOFT sessions—over the past week to mitigate the shortage temporarily. This move creates a number of contractual complications in the rescheduling of these events. Delaying training is also unsustainable as it creates further training backlog.

The MEC is concerned that management’s focus on fixing immediate problems will compound the difficulties of implementing new aircraft. Therefore, we strongly encourage PSA management to take a longer view, using realistic targets with a sufficient margin to allow for success. Attempting to operate on a razor thin margin reduces the chances of success during the coming year and is likely to deteriorate the working environment for PSA pilots. We mustn’t be the continued victims of improper planning.
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pete2800 02-26-2014 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Jetstream 823JS (Post 1590614)
... management decided to hold four pilots at PSA indefinitely rather than allow them to begin a class at US Airways in March.

How's that preferential interview agreement working out?

Haha....

:eek:

NoLightOff 02-26-2014 02:26 PM

That's too bad. :/

ChipChelios 02-26-2014 02:26 PM

You guys were quick to give and they are even quicker to take!

snippercr 02-26-2014 02:27 PM

Skeptical...anyone care to back this letter up?

MrMustache 02-26-2014 02:30 PM

But where's Meyers to say PSA isn't crappy?

exdashtrash 02-26-2014 02:36 PM

And the new airplanes aren't even on property...

Bite off more than we can chew?

block30 02-26-2014 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1590621)
Skeptical...anyone care to back this letter up?

I'm with you.....anyone corroborate this??

Spoilers 02-26-2014 02:54 PM

Haha! Didn't see that coming... :rolleyes:

pitchtrim 02-26-2014 02:59 PM

That's a bummer.

minimwage4 02-26-2014 03:01 PM

That's a bummer dude.

PilotJ3 02-26-2014 03:22 PM


A message from the PSA MEC;

Staffing Shortage Update
PSA management has recently taken a number of actions in an attempt to mitigate the pilot staffing shortage. First, management denied or canceled all Association leave for January, February, and March. Second, this weekend, management decided to hold four pilots at PSA indefinitely rather than allow them to begin a class at US Airways in March.

Third, management advised the MEC yesterday that it was canceling vacations for pilots bidding in Round 2 due to extremely short staffing in March. Section 7.H of the Collective Bargaining Agreement describes the responsibilities of pilots and the company when taking this action. As the shortage continues, further vacation cancellations may occur, so every pilot is encouraged to review the language.

Fourth, management has canceled selected recurrent training events—both ground schools and LOFT sessions—over the past week to mitigate the shortage temporarily. This move creates a number of contractual complications in the rescheduling of these events. Delaying training is also unsustainable as it creates further training backlog.

The MEC is concerned that management’s focus on fixing immediate problems will compound the difficulties of implementing new aircraft. Therefore, we strongly encourage PSA management to take a longer view, using realistic targets with a sufficient margin to allow for success. Attempting to operate on a razor thin margin reduces the chances of success during the coming year and is likely to deteriorate the working environment for PSA pilots. We mustn’t be the continued victims of improper planning.
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So, what about the 2 year upgrade?

A friend of mine sent me the RSV staffing for march in the FO side at CLT. Negative numbers every day!

RogerDorn 02-26-2014 03:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-fraAN7in4

Atlantic 02-26-2014 03:51 PM

I'm sure they can/will bend over just a little bit more, and take this 'sad' news well! http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...cons/icon7.gif

pagey 02-26-2014 03:57 PM

I can corroborate this...its true.

I don't really think we need internal messages posted on here though.

Moonwolf 02-26-2014 03:57 PM

Why are people so bummed out?

This is great news

pagey 02-26-2014 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1590675)
So, what about the 2 year upgrade?

A friend of mine sent me the RSV staffing for march in the FO side at CLT. Negative numbers every day!

There actually aren't any reserve FOs in CLT for march.

They will get a little relief from guys coming off IOE but there were no reserve lines bid.

astec 02-26-2014 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1590725)
There actually aren't any reserve FOs in CLT for march.

They will get a little relief from guys coming off IOE but there were no reserve lines bid.

good luck with that.. I know of a few guys who were told they wouldnt see IOE until some time in march. that translates into no one coming off of IOE until late march.

Good luck CLT

FerrisBluer 02-26-2014 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1590627)
But where's Meyers to say PSA isn't crappy?

Oh Meyers? He's over on the Mesa thread putting everyone in their place. :rolleyes:

What 02-26-2014 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1590723)
I can corroborate this...its true.

I don't really think we need internal messages posted on here though.

Come one Pagey!!! It's good to share this information. With that said this is not the time to knock on the PSA pilots. We need to pull together, Pagey I ask you to ask your MEC to collaborate and work with the other ALPA MEC's. We need to pull together as pilots and improve our situations collaborately. I hope this opens the doors for you guys to possibly negotiate improvements on your deal. I'm sorry to hear that your QOL is now suffering, after you guys have manageemnt what they wanted.

At Eagle we are your friends, not enemies!

pagey 02-26-2014 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1590741)
Come one Pagey!!! It's good to share this information. With that said this is not the time to knock on the PSA pilots. We need to pull together, Pagey I ask you to ask your MEC to collaborate and work with the other ALPA MEC's. We need to pull together as pilots and improve our situations collaborately. I hope this opens the doors for you guys to possibly negotiate improvements on your deal. I'm sorry to hear that your QOL is now suffering, after you guys have manageemnt what they wanted.

At Eagle we are your friends, not enemies!

I necessarily have a problem with the information coming out. The specific email doesn't need to be posted though.

meyers9163 02-26-2014 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by FerrisBluer (Post 1590740)
Oh Meyers? He's over on the Mesa thread putting everyone in their place. :rolleyes:

Just saw a class of 32.... Guess it must be awful.... You're really saying any regional is better? Too funny. However you will see two years or less upgrades at PSA. Guess a 4 year FO cap won't matter. They'll find away to fix this with money.....

spuzzyair 02-26-2014 04:13 PM

lol
 
Won't be long until we see the truth come out about Mesa as well... they are all trying to tell us classes are full, people are flocking to work here... Truth is, its all a crock of $h!t...

ChipChelios 02-26-2014 04:14 PM

Wait until summer. The whip will be cracking on their backs

FerrisBluer 02-26-2014 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 1590746)
Just saw a class of 32.... Guess it must be awful.... You're really saying any regional is better? Too funny. However you will see two years or less upgrades at PSA. Guess a 4 year FO cap won't matter. They'll find away to fix this with money.....

Oh hey welcome back. Now stay!:D

meyers9163 02-26-2014 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by spuzzyair (Post 1590749)
Won't be long until we see the truth come out about Mesa as well... they are all trying to tell us classes are full, people are flocking to work here... Truth is, its all a crock of $h!t...

Its a good thing.... :) As long as 70 doesn't happen....

Bzzt 02-26-2014 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 1590753)
Its a good thing.... :) As long as 70 doesn't happen....

I doubt that will happen unless the EU does it first. The United States' law makers are very hesitant to make new laws, only copy others.

Atlantic 02-26-2014 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1590741)
At Eagle we are your friends, not enemies!

I truely hope this is sarcasm?

Every 'Real Eagle' pilot I fly with has a few choice words to say when they hear a 'Brown Streak' check in with ATC since your vote.

meyers9163 02-26-2014 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by Ferrinubuer (Post 1590752)
Oh hey welcome back. Now stay!:D

You know some of us only come here to pass crashpad time... Take lesson number one for free.... When at home be at home.... wouldn't dream of wasting such time on here when that times so valuable. ;)

What 02-26-2014 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Atlantic (Post 1590759)
I truely hope this is sarcasm?

Evey 'Real Eagle' pilot I fly with has a few choice words to say when they hear a 'Brown Streak' check in with ATC since your vote.

I am not happy about the what PSA did, they were sold on airplanes that would take over flying I am currently doing and the bite at the apple. With that said I don't wish any harm to the pilots at PSA but so wish that the model management seeks fails. I do wish that we work together and try to repair the damage done in the past.

Nevets 02-26-2014 04:31 PM

Same thing over at XJT. They have MEC officers and Cheif pilots flying. They are rolling days off and have cancelled a couple of months of vacation after offering to buy it back at 200%.

Atlantic 02-26-2014 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1590768)
I am not happy about the what PSA did, they were sold on airplanes that would take over flying I am currently doing and the bite at the apple. With that said I don't wish any harm to the pilots at PSA but so wish that the model management seeks fails. I do wish that we work together and try to repair the damage done in the past.

I'm sure you'll get a few High Fives from the PSA guys by saying this.

However, if another group tries to bring the industry to new lows, and put my livelyhood in jeopardy, well, they will NEVER have any respect from me.

cencal83406 02-26-2014 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Atlantic (Post 1590775)
I'm sure you'll get a few High Fives from the PSA guys by saying this.

However, if another group tries to bring the industry to new lows, and put my livelyhood in jeopardy, well, they will NEVER have any respect from me.

Might as well cancel your ALPA membership. National was disappointed the Eagle MEC voted down concessions.

meyers9163 02-26-2014 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1590773)
How is that flow working??

There will be 48 by years end.... Better then nothing which is what would happen without that agreement. Your point?

CaptainNameless 02-26-2014 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1590770)
Same thing over at XJT. They have MEC officers and Cheif pilots flying. They are rolling days off and have cancelled a couple of months of vacation after offering to buy it back at 200%.

At XJT they offered 200% voluntary buyback for Feb. and March but to my knowledge only tried cancellations in February, not March. I think they realize a lot of people will come in to work on their vacations anyway if the 200% is on offer and the people who got cancelled may not actually show up anyway, so either way they are going to end up with about as much coverage as they were going to have with cancelled vacations or not, and it will save more money by not doing cancels that people are supposed to be working and then don't. It's an interesting experiment in how much you can push your pilots around, or not.

Any removal of vacations or time off to solve staffing issues can only last so long at any company. At some point people just will not stand for it, and what are they going to do when we don't? Start firing the pilots in the middle of a staffing crisis, and make their staffing issues even worse?

mking84 02-26-2014 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1590741)
Come one Pagey!!! It's good to share this information. With that said this is not the time to knock on the PSA pilots. We need to pull together, Pagey I ask you to ask your MEC to collaborate and work with the other ALPA MEC's. We need to pull together as pilots and improve our situations collaborately. I hope this opens the doors for you guys to possibly negotiate improvements on your deal. I'm sorry to hear that your QOL is now suffering, after you guys have manageemnt what they wanted.

At Eagle we are your friends, not enemies!

Nah pull away without them. They made it perfectly clear what they want to do, now let them have it.

There are two tragedies in life:
1. Not getting what you want.
2.GETTING IT

TallFlyer 02-26-2014 05:24 PM

So is this a recruiting shortfall or a training bottleneck?

Chupacabras 02-26-2014 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by Jetstream 823JS (Post 1590614)
A message from the PSA MEC;

Staffing Shortage Update
PSA management has recently taken a number of actions in an attempt to mitigate the pilot staffing shortage. First, management denied or canceled all Association leave for January, February, and March. Second, this weekend, management decided to hold four pilots at PSA indefinitely rather than allow them to begin a class at US Airways in March.

Someone please educate me here and please pardon my ignorance of PSA's flow agreement. How can the company hold pilots back indefinitely?


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