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newcfii 04-17-2014 06:50 AM

PSA's new President
 
It is obvious Parker has a vested interest in PSA. Only time will tell where this place goes as time progresses.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...508309d425.htm

exdashtrash 04-17-2014 07:05 AM

With any luck, back to the pits of hell where it belongs.

newcfii 04-17-2014 07:19 AM

Ahhh, yet another fine educated response from disgruntled regional children. Is it a wonder why regional pilots are looked down upon? I mean in all seriousness, no one can have an adult conversation on these forums without some fist-pumping chest flexing hot head getting on and spouting utter and complete **** and nonsense.
In all seriousness, get over yourself this crap is getting old!

Salukipilot4590 04-17-2014 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by newcfii (Post 1624769)
Ahhh, yet another fine educated response from disgruntled regional children. Is it a wonder why regional pilots are looked down upon? I mean in all seriousness, no one can have an adult conversation on these forums without some fist-pumping chest flexing hot head getting on and spouting utter and complete **** and nonsense.
In all seriousness, get over yourself this crap is getting old!

Actually after your yes vote the old "My regional is better than your regional" debate got a breath of fresh air.

Welcome to being the butt of all the jokes man.

ground stop 04-17-2014 07:43 AM

Just to make sure, you realize that article is a year old?

newcfii 04-17-2014 07:44 AM

Yes, the article is a year old; However, he is now the new President of PSA taking over for the ousted KH in August of this year.

200Driver 04-17-2014 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by newcfii (Post 1624739)
It is obvious Parker has a vested interest in PSA. Only time will tell where this place goes as time progresses.

425


Originally Posted by newcfii (Post 1624769)
Ahhh, yet another fine educated response from disgruntled regional children. Is it a wonder why regional pilots are looked down upon? I mean in all seriousness, no one can have an adult conversation on these forums without some fist-pumping chest flexing hot head getting on and spouting utter and complete **** and nonsense.
In all seriousness, get over yourself this crap is getting old!

Yeah Park loves you guys. Your willing to work for free, fly anything they give you then ask for them to do it again. PSA is a bottom feeder and managment loves bottom feeders because their cheap. You will go far if you continue to eat the residue off other regional guys shoes. You just won't have any money, QoL etc. in the end to show for it.

GoBlue 04-17-2014 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by newcfii (Post 1624769)
Ahhh, yet another fine educated response from disgruntled regional children. Is it a wonder why regional pilots are looked down upon? I mean in all seriousness, no one can have an adult conversation on these forums without some fist-pumping chest flexing hot head getting on and spouting utter and complete **** and nonsense.
In all seriousness, get over yourself this crap is getting old!

Maybe we are looked down upon because pilot groups vote in concessions to take another groups flying.

seafeye 04-17-2014 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by 200Driver (Post 1624792)
Yeah Park loves you guys. Your willing to work for free, fly anything they give you then ask for them to do it again. PSA is a bottom feeder and managment loves bottom feeders because their cheap. You will go far if you continue to eat the residue off other regional guys shoes. You just won't have any money, QoL etc. in the end to show for it.

If making over $10k in a month is bottom feeder then i'm ok with that.
(While only flying 63hrs). Credit was 130hrs.

Systemized 04-17-2014 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by 200Driver (Post 1624792)
Yeah Park loves you guys. Your willing to work for free, fly anything they give you then ask for them to do it again. PSA is a bottom feeder and managment loves bottom feeders because their cheap. You will go far if you continue to eat the residue off other regional guys shoes. You just won't have any money, QoL etc. in the end to show for it.

Says the guy that works for a Silver Airways aka Gulfstream.

Salukipilot4590 04-17-2014 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 1624911)
If making over $10k in a month is bottom feeder then i'm ok with that.
(While only flying 63hrs). Credit was 130hrs.

Oh a dick measuring contest! I love those!!!

155 credit last month block of 63


Originally Posted by Systemized (Post 1624919)
Says the guy that works for a Silver Airways aka Gulfstream.

How's your duty rig?

pete2800 04-17-2014 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1624932)
How's your duty rig?

Haha...zing! Where did that 'like' button go?

:D

Moonwolf 04-17-2014 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by newcfii (Post 1624739)
It is obvious Parker has a vested interest in PSA. Only time will tell where this place goes as time progresses.

425

Who cares? this thread is pointless.

skyxbomb 04-17-2014 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1624932)
Oh a dick measuring contest! I love those!!!

155 credit last month block of 63



How's your duty rig?

10k a month... Who cares about duty rig. Maybe you should post what you've made. Not credit hours. :)

dwightkschrute 04-18-2014 06:18 AM

Ask the Comair guys, now at PSA, how far standing up to management got them. The problem isn't airlines like PSA, it's ALPA for having no backbone to begin with and forcing the pilots to vote in fear.

exdashtrash 04-18-2014 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by dwightkschrute (Post 1625403)
Ask the Comair guys, now at PSA, how far standing up to management got them. The problem isn't airlines like PSA, it's ALPA for having no backbone to begin with and forcing the pilots to vote in fear.

Operations like PSA will ALWAYS be part of the problem.

Tpabayflyer 04-18-2014 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by exdashtrash (Post 1625690)
Operations like PSA will ALWAYS be part of the problem.

No, there will always be a darling airline to take a concessionary contract. Mgt will just startup something else just like compass,freedom, go-jet,etc.... ALPA needs to start representing at the regional level.

Tzuk95 04-18-2014 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by 200Driver (Post 1624792)
Yeah Park loves you guys. Your willing to work for free, fly anything they give you then ask for them to do it again. PSA is a bottom feeder and managment loves bottom feeders because their cheap. You will go far if you continue to eat the residue off other regional guys shoes. You just won't have any money, QoL etc. in the end to show for it.

Hold up. Did a freaking Silverstreamer just call PSA pilots bottom feeders that make no money with no QOL? Wow dude. What a joke.

You need to look at the pay scale and find out what the SAP is.

LMAO

Salukipilot4590 04-19-2014 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by Tzuk95 (Post 1625898)
Hold up. Did a freaking Silverstreamer just call PSA pilots bottom feeders that make no money with no QOL? Wow dude. What a joke.

You need to look at the pay scale and find out what the SAP is.

LMAO

It's not like you didn't work here a month ago or anything, no not at all...

meyers9163 04-19-2014 04:14 AM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1626010)
It's not like you didn't work here a month ago or anything, no not at all...

Even if he did PSA has never been nor is a bottom feeder. Oh my they have only 12 year payrates.... Funny how if movement happens that won't be a factor... Now if mass stagnation occurs again then I'll see your point. Until then without a delivery of a single aircraft PSA is almost down to a 4 year or less upgrade. Soon it'll be under 2 years.... Then that FO scale really matters huh?

Joliet 04-19-2014 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 1626013)
Even if he did PSA has never been nor is a bottom feeder. Oh my they have only 12 year payrates.... Funny how if movement happens that won't be a factor... Now if mass stagnation occurs again then I'll see your point. Until then without a delivery of a single aircraft PSA is almost down to a 4 year or less upgrade. Soon it'll be under 2 years.... Then that FO scale really matters huh?

Thou shalt not bring truth and reason into public pilot forums! We don't want management to know we have brains! Mmmm brains!


Ohhhhhbaahhhhh....

http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/...ins_poster.jpg

Salukipilot4590 04-19-2014 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 1626013)
Funny how if movement happens that won't be a factor... Now if mass stagnation occurs again then I'll see your point.

You're a cutie.

saturn 04-19-2014 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 1626013)
Even if he did PSA has never been nor is a bottom feeder. Oh my they have only 12 year payrates.... Funny how if movement happens that won't be a factor... Now if mass stagnation occurs again then I'll see your point. Until then without a delivery of a single aircraft PSA is almost down to a 4 year or less upgrade. Soon it'll be under 2 years.... Then that FO scale really matters huh?

How short sighted. Look at forums in 2007, and you see similar thought processes. If anyone wonders why the industry takes such a step backwards, thank all of your comrades with get-there-itis whatever it takes mind-sets. Taking a gamble that something might get a few ahead but will inevitably lead to a lower standard for all. Why do you think management offers sign on bonuses but wont raise first year pay? Because a bonus can disappear, a pay raise cant easily be changed without a pilot group going nuts. Taking growth or interviews or flows for concessions, is similarly short sighted.

samballs 04-19-2014 09:52 AM

I think the president of PSA should be given an award. He sold ice to a bunch of Eskimo's, he even marked up the price.

Leroy Smith 04-19-2014 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by saturn (Post 1626152)
How short sighted. Look at forums in 2007, and you see similar thought processes. If anyone wonders why the industry takes such a step backwards, thank all of your comrades with get-there-itis whatever it takes mind-sets. Taking a gamble that something might get a few ahead but will inevitably lead to a lower standard for all. Why do you think management offers sign on bonuses but wont raise first year pay? Because a bonus can disappear, a pay raise cant easily be changed without a pilot group going nuts. Taking growth or interviews or flows for concessions, is similarly short sighted.

Read it again.
Career-myopia and get-there-itis will be the undoing of us all.

Tzuk95 04-19-2014 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1626010)
It's not like you didn't work here a month ago or anything, no not at all...

All Im saying is those that live in glass houses man...
Throwing around words like bottom feeder? Gimme a break.

Thats like pulling up driving a Pinto and downing the guy next to you in a Porsche because YOU woulda bought a Ferrari. Your in a Pinto dude.

MR JT8D 04-19-2014 06:56 PM

PSA is a bottom feeder s%#% hole. Period. Doesn't matter how Scrobola treats pilots. It's a pit. Bottom end pay, work rules, quality of life, ect.

They chewed off the rotten end of the flesh that Eagle wouldn't digest.

Now eat it boys. Be happy with it.

Paid2fly 04-19-2014 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by Tzuk95 (Post 1626475)
All Im saying is those that live in glass houses man...
Throwing around words like bottom feeder? Gimme a break.

Thats like pulling up driving a Pinto and downing the guy next to you in a Porsche because YOU woulda bought a Ferrari. Your in a Pinto dude.






It's "you're", and you traded in your Pinto for a Yugo....

dash8 04-20-2014 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by newcfii (Post 1624791)
ousted KH in August of this year.


ousted? sauce?

pagey 04-20-2014 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by MR JT8D (Post 1626581)
PSA is a bottom feeder s%#% hole. Period. Doesn't matter how Scrobola treats pilots. It's a pit. Bottom end pay, work rules, quality of life, ect.

Can't argue the pay on the captain side(only after year 12. Prior to year 12 it is among the highest) but none of your other information on work rules and QoL is even close to correct.

I've tried to "retire" from these arguments because I mostly keep saying the same thing over and over and over and over. No one generally cares or even responds to what I say because it ruins their argument that "PSA sucks". The things I say are FACTS, not conjecture, or predictions.

I hope Masontradamus is correct and you guys get what you deserve.

TallFlyer 04-20-2014 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by MR JT8D (Post 1626581)
PSA is a bottom feeder s%#% hole. Period. Doesn't matter how Scrobola treats pilots. It's a pit. Bottom end pay, work rules, quality of life, ect.

Yeah, I mean dropping trips down to a 65 hour line, then picking up out of open time at time and a half, every single month. Yeah, that blows......

BrewCity 04-20-2014 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1626993)
Yeah, I mean dropping trips down to a 65 hour line, then picking up out of open time at time and a half, every single month. Yeah, that blows......

Right .... Because the SAP was the big carrot to get your pilot group to vote in a concessionary deal?

TallFlyer 04-20-2014 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by BrewCity (Post 1627000)
Right .... Because the SAP was the big carrot to get your pilot group to vote in a concessionary deal?

Not my pilot group, but my point is Mr JT8D's contention that it's bottom end pay, work rules, QOL, etc, is specious at best.

Ramprat 04-20-2014 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by BrewCity (Post 1627000)
Right .... Because the SAP was the big carrot to get your pilot group to vote in a concessionary deal?

We had the SAP before the concessionary LOA..We got the SAP on our contract we voted in in 2013.

texaspilot76 04-20-2014 09:01 PM

Whether most of you agree or not, I know for a fact that PSA pilots probably make the most money among regionals. I've had a few people I know from there explain the SAP to me. It's complex, but in short, most of the hours they get are paid at 1.5 the hourly rate. So a $70 an hour captain is really earning $105. No other regional can touch that.

I see management trying to come after this SAP in future negotiations. Even mainline doesn't have this sort of thing.

Paid2fly 04-20-2014 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 1627232)
Whether most of you agree or not, I know for a fact that PSA pilots probably make the most money among regionals. I've had a few people I know from there explain the SAP to me. It's complex, but in short, most of the hours they get are paid at 1.5 the hourly rate. So a $70 an hour captain is really earning $105. No other regional can touch that.

I see management trying to come after this SAP in future negotiations. Even mainline doesn't have this sort of thing.





Uhm, how much would you care to wager? My base rate is higher than your 1.5 times rate of $105.

texaspilot76 04-20-2014 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 1627249)
Uhm, how much would you care to wager? My base rate is higher than your 1.5 times rate of $105.

If you're over $105, you're at top of scale or at a major. So, to compare apples to apples, a senior PSA pilot at $100 an hour is effectively making $150 an hour. No regional on earth pays that rate, other than PSA pilots with the SAP.

Paid2fly 04-20-2014 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 1627250)
If you're over $105, you're at top of scale or at a major. So, to compare apples to apples, a senior PSA pilot at $100 an hour is effectively making $150 an hour. No regional on earth pays that rate, other than PSA pilots with the SAP.







Not at a major, we used to get double time regularly, and currently have been getting time and a half.

pagey 04-21-2014 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 1627250)
If you're over $105, you're at top of scale or at a major. So, to compare apples to apples, a senior PSA pilot at $100 an hour is effectively making $150 an hour. No regional on earth pays that rate, other than PSA pilots with the SAP.

As awesome as the SAP is this is not entirely true. No one is getting ALL their flying at 150%. I know some high speed lines were but I think the company shadily nixed that method.

Mostly what's happening is people are ending the SAP with anywhere between 17-20 days off and then picking up flying from there that gets credited at 150%. So those couple 4 days that are left on your schedule you aren't getting 150% for. Also the system is slightly different as of this month and should benefit us even more as staffing gets tighter for the summer. Now you actually can, in theory, get all your flying at 150% but you need to be johnny on the spot on the open time. It also might not be fully sustainable every single month to get a bunch of 150% stuff. For the forseeable future though people are going to be making some serious money.

Bzzt 04-21-2014 09:54 AM

That SAP system sounds very nice. I would imagine you're going to have to fight tooth and nail with management to keep it. It's amazing to me they agreed to it in the first place.


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