Don't know, there are a lot of variables here, the most important of which is what will actually be on your record. Have to start with that first. Everyone, including everyone in this thread, wants to put themselves in the best light possible during an interview. But that starts with first knowing what all the information the hiring airline will be able to have about you.

Some pilots will never have failed a checkride but will have DUI's, traffic tickets, misdemeanors convictions that they will have to fess up to.

The other thing to consider is you very well might make it through training on your next attempt, but will you make it through your checkride and IOE etc.. Hard to say as we do not know where you are struggling or what your past experience is.

You did fail, you FAILED to complete it.

I see two problems here. One is that some applications ask you if you've ever been asked to resign by an employer. They may also ask if you've ever failed to complete a part 121 training program/event.

But bottom line, you have spent a short amount of time at two airlines (and i'm certainly not one to judge that), and employers are probably going to want to know why it was so brief. You may be able to tell them it was for personal reasons, or even that you didn't fail a training event. But if they get a copy of your training records from PSA, which I believe they will through PRIA, those may have instructor notes on there, documenting the problems you were having with training. Then you'd look dishonest.

It's not a checkride failure. I never filled out a 8410. I have a incomplete training record. That's it. Bro.

Instructor notes are not pria.

Depends on the company. One of the previous airlines I worked for sends out our training records, and it includes notes on each sim session.

It's a TRAINING failure…you must realize and accept that before you can move on. Anyway, good luck. Hope it works out for you!!!

This is a small industry, you may not know it now, but you will. You can't even make it to the checkride. You did fail, you failed to make it to the checkride which is almost worse then busting a checkride.
Take the advise people are trying to give to you, which appears you don't want to take... Go get a 135 job the airlines are not for you yet.

The point he is making is that you failed at completing training. This may sound mean, but you were not good enough. You failed at something you attempted. Get it?

Therefore... Get better or try something else. Like people keep asking, what caused the failure to complete? What's your total time and experience? Do you really feel this is something you are cut out for? It's not just your career.... It's people's lives.

Hope you are able to deal with this situation. I don't envy you and am sure it's tough.

Some outfits do not report PRIA before the checkride, it has to do with whether you were an actual employee of the company or not. Call HR and simply ask if they are going to put it in there or not. You should also request copies of your pilot records whenever you apply to the next company- you can see what's in the file.

As for what he should do, two failures is not a great start in airlines but maybe he can make a long term project out of it rather than short term. Get a job flying a piston twin for a year and see how you do at that.

OP,

Stop wordsmithing.

Bottom line is you need to improve your flying skills if you want a 121 career; how you do so is entirely up to you.

You may not have failed a checkride, but you failed to complete Initial training at not one but two 121 carriers. That will not reflect well on your abilities going forward, nor will refusal to own that reality and show 1. how you have remedied your deficiencies and 2. why the third time will be a charm for you successfully completing not only simulator training, but IOE flying the actual airplane.

Truth be told, if you want a professional flying career at this point you probably need to spend the money for a jet transition course AND first get some serious experience in a piston twin or turboprop.

Maybe it's or attitude and lack of flying skills that are holding you back.

ELOHEL.

Real Talk-

Sack up and take ownership of it, stop trying to weasel out of what is or is not reported.

You failed training. Own it. Take the good advice offered by people on here.

Here's the deal Wannabe...

You WILL have to report that you did not complete two training events and were basically forced to resign in both instances; whether or not that shows up on PRIA, the next airline WILL find it, because they are required by law to get your training records from any and all previous 135/121 and sometimes even 91 operators that you have flown for, depending on who's hiring you.

The correct course of action, without ANY question is to fully disclose that you did not complete training. How you want to spin that is your business, but you MUST disclose it if you don't want to be (further) blackballed by being fired for lying; which you most certainly will be by any 135 or 121 operation that requires a copy of your training records.

Aviation is a very unforgiving business in many aspects, and the best thing you can do for yourself (aside from the obvious) is to operate in complete transparency with your next employer (or PSA if you go back there). Will 2 incomplete training events be a nail in your coffin professionally? Hard to say; depends on the employer. If you do well going forward, that will help to mitigate the impact of those unsat events. If you don't, I agree with others that you should probably do something else.

I can tell you with certainty that being terminated for lying WILL be the final nail in the coffin; so don't do anything that could be construed as such, okay?

I hope that this helps to clarify things for you. I wish you the very best.

What will come up on my PRIA?...PRIA is termination, Checrude failures and drug tests. That's it.

I have a interview with Pedimont next week fwiw.

What about list all employment history in the last 10 years? Gonna lie on that one too?

There is also the FOIA portion of PRIA...this is becoming quite entertaining.

Sorry to hear about the second washout.

FWIW, one of my classmates at TSA took a CRJ transition course before reporting for EMB-145 training in STL. He told me that was a good decision on his part. But, it was something his flight school offered him since he was an employee.

Unless you return to PSA, and successfully complete the training, you will have a difficult time going forward in Part 121 or 135.

That's part 91 written and checkrides.

So let me get this straight.

You failed training at two 121 airlines and believe you can just apply and interview at a third without telling them anything?

Did you tell PSA about XJT?

There was nothing to tell

I think your on the right track. Going around and just getting Regional Airline bonuses is a damn good idea. You will probably pull in 30 grand this year. While your fellow regional F/O's are eating food stolen out of moms fridge your eating extra value meals.

So did you disclose the 1st failure to PSA? How did you explain that one? You need to own up and show that you improved after the 1st failure and have further improved from the 2nd one. Good luck! You may need that RJ course to help your cause but airlines are going to be very hesitant

Seriously? Are you that thick headed?

With that attitude, you will not get far in the airline industry let alone another career.

hahahahahahhahahahaha!!

(1) Initial and recurrent training records.

Directly from advisory circular AC120-68F, chapter 4. TRAINING RECORDS. If they include grades, or any notes, future employers will be able to see them. I'm telling you, I know firsthand.

Glad to know that integrity is alive and well with kids these days.

I think he's already "told" enough in this thread:

Canned from XJ and PSA, interviewing at Piedmont next week. Aviation is a small world my friend, you likely just told them everything they need to know.


"More right rudder!!!!!"

It's more like 70 grand, but yes but the long term outlook is limited unless he comes back with a new name every year.

The world needs ditch diggers, too...

Have you seen your pria with the instructors notes?

You are not an employee during training at all carriers, some yes but not all. This is why I say you have to first know what all the details are so you can answer the questions being posed by a new employer.

Here is some examples.

1.) Let's say you have a misdemeanor on your record but you pay to have your record sealed (expunged). Your application will ask if you have ever been convicted of a crime, how do you answer? If you went through all the trouble of having your record sealed, would you not answer that question as no?

2.) Your medical application wants to know if you ever had a severe headache. Haven't we all had a headache before? Who gets to decide whether its severe? Some people might take an aspirin for a headache but others never take anything. Does that mean the people who take an aspirin should fill out their medical and check the headache box, thereby setting themselves up for $50,000 in medical bills?

3.) You are at training at a regional airline. Your wife calls and tells you that she's in the hospital with abdominal pain, she's pregnant. She's under a good deal of stress since you are away for 6 weeks. You elect to leave training in the middle on your own accord. Did you fail training?

Now before you answer, which of you is fully qualified to give the correct answer to these questions. I'm not interested in hearing opinion or discussion on them, I just want one of you to tell me the correct answers.

You do realize you have posted your resume essentially in past posts right? Also that you interview at a certain Dash operator next week. O AND you have FAILED 2 121 training programs without disclosing anything. I am sure they could figure out who you are based off that info. Might want to rethink your strategy.

I've seen it man, it actually has a video and audio recording of every sim session, briefing and oral. Good luck! Came in a three DVD collection.

Yes there was... I don't know what I'm doing and I'm gonna fail out of your training.

Airlines want to know what you've been doing the last 10 years, school, helping a sick family member, failing out of 121 training programs, leaving 121 training for a legit reason, whatever....

Call them an employee or not, if you were paid, attend or even filled out new-hire paperwork... there is a paper trail. The funny thing is some airlines don't complete the process of verifying your claims until you're almost done with training, probably why this guy hasn't been caught yet.

You don't think the hiring department would liked to have know you had just failed out of XJT's initial training before spending thousands of dollars on you? There was definitely something to report. Lie by omission is still a lie.

Listen, training failures happen, it's unfortunate but they do and a lot of times it's to good people. Sometimes it's to good pilots who just can't put it together at a quick enough pace. I've been through that training department recently and saw how much they worked to help ppl with good attitudes who helped themselves. Heck, I needed a couple extra myself and they went above and beyond to make sure I was more than ready for my checkride and safe for the line. If they didn't even let you get to the checkride it's either bc you were seriously lacking in at least some area of your flying or your attitude was awful. Not saying that to be cruel, but you need to figure out which it was before you move forward and add a 3rd issue.

Have you withdrawn or failed to successfully complete any part 135 or part 121 training course? Please explain

Straight from the PSA application page. I think what happened at XJT qualifies.

You guys are just jealous that he is gonna be the highest paid 1st year F/O in the regional industry.