Washed Out Of PSA
 

Hello all,

I was just let go at PSA durning the sim process. I just couldn't keep up with the aircraft. (I didn't fail a checkride or anything) They said I could go take a jet transition course and return. If I return to pass all training, will this save my pria?

No they will send training records. Just use going back and passing as a positive what you learned experience.

Doubt it, pretty sure that it will go down as did not complet training. Will still have to explain it. Because your employment was terminated and you will have to be rehired. Might be different, but that's what has happened to others. Good luck and don't let this get you down. Get it done and get back on the horse!

I don't think it's a pria hit if you didn't go for an event. Sorry about that bad news, yo.

The director of training said it wasn't since I didn't take a checkride

No, it's still PRIA reportable.

But if you're a low time piston pilot trying a jet for the first time, AND you can go back and complete training that will do a lot to mitigate the damage.

Strictly for purposes of spinning this situation at an interview, it would be best if you go back to PSA, vice another regional (I know they're all hiring). The fact that they took you back would indicate they deemed you worthy, but just inexperienced. Of course you have to weigh how long it will take to get another class date at PSA...I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for more than a month or two in today's environment.

I resigned and didn't take a checkride. I put personal reasons on my resignation letter.

Looking at your previous posts, is this your 2nd wash out from a regional?

Yes.

Filler

There should still be a PRIA record requirement with any 121 employer. I would talk to PSA and see if you can learn exactly what details they'll report...I suspect your detailed training records from the sim are not too pretty.

They report sim records? has anyone ever received a copy of their pria with the sim records on it?...I was told sim records are company records.

Own up to it. Get more experience, and go knock it out.

"I had personal issues, and (excuse, excuse)....."

vs.

"I underestimated what it would take, could not keep up, went back and got more experience, the same company let me return (and pass). Learned from the experience..exc...exc"

Either way it's on the PRIA and pilot work history, interview damage control from here on out.

Dont worry about it. Like everyone has said, turn this into a positive. I would also reccommend possibly going with a company that operates a slower type of aircraft; ie saab, dash 8.

Ouch. 2 is not good. I have to be honest. Lots of luck.

Ouch, just read this is number two.

Honestly, it kinda sounds like you're trying to weasel out of the fact that you washed out of training being discovered in your work history/PRIA/whatever.

This should also serve as a cautionary tale to the CFI types out there getting cold called with class dates from regionals.

If you go to a CRJ course and come back in a timely manner then no it wont be a failure, it will be an interruption. If you don't then it is a failure.

ELOHEL. Let's be honest here.... isn't this the type of thing PRIA was designed to detect?

If you can't handle a crj you're gonna get your a$$ handed to you in a dash, not very good advice my friend.

Here is a couple of things to consider. These may seem kind of contradictory but its just food for thought.

1.) If it doesn't make it into your PRIA records, you could consider just not listing PSA as a former employer on an application. You were only there a few weeks.

2.) Even if it doesn't make it on to your PRIA records, I suppose its all in how your next employer asks the question. If they simply ask "have you ever failed a checkride" then you can answer no. But if they ask it like "have you ever failed a checkride, dropped out of training, or been terminated or asked to leave a flying job" then you might have to fess up, assuming of course there is something on your record to report.

I don't know what the requirements are for airline employers but my guess is the FAA will want them to report quickly so the information is available to the next employer. But, in the end, if there is nothing on your record to report, I would not report it.

Setting all that aside for a moment, maybe milkman above is correct and you should consider a carrier that flies turboprops.

Don't worry Mesa will still love you!

That is terrible advice, report everything.

What's a timely matter? 6 months?

Not true at all

So..... lie, then go fly a turboprop that is possibly more difficult to fly than a CRJ.

Solid advice.

Yeah turboprops are pretty busy airplanes and the other thing is, do you really have $5k to toss into ring for a one week CRJ course? What is PSA's answer to the question "how many of your previous rejects got to the line after they took that CRJ course you want me to take"? Your best bet is to get a 135 job and try airlines after a year or two. It will be much easier for you then.

You mean like a 1900?

With 2 training failures at the beginning of your career, it would be best to figure out what the issue is before you add a 3rd failure…

Absolutely not. If there is nothing on your record because the employer chose not to report it because they didn't consider it a failure, then there is nothing to report.

I've never failed a Checkride or training event but I know my PRIA records from my last 121job to this one only list training I have received and the dates no details and Definately no notes or sim records of anytype.

You can request your own PRIA records which I would highly recommend doing.
But I also would not encourage being dishonest about anything.

What was your background to fail 2 121 classes?

With all due respect to the OP.... Unless you can figure out where your weaknesses are and correct them (doubtful as this is your second 121 initial bust), you should consider a new line of work.

Again, no disrespect but do you really want to be responsible for the loss of life that may occur from your lack of abilities?

Flying airplanes for a living isn't for everyone.





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Washing out of one 121 initial could be a fluke, washing out of two is a trend...especially when the cause of both is poor instrument skills and/or being behind the plane.

I would agree that a 135 job would be a logical step at this point...something like Cape Air, Air Cargo Carriers, Mountain Air, Ameriflight, or the like. Not that any of those would be "easy", but at this point it sounds to me like the speed of a swept wing jet is causing major trouble and a twin piston or turboprop could be the ticket to successful transitioning.

If you resign on your own terms, how will HR of another airline asked you vs being told to resign in leui of termination?

He could haul checks or something, its not like pro flying is only working for the airlines.

Two things striking me in this thread:

a) Pilots love to lie about training issues.

b) What good is PRIA if airlines don't care. If an airline is so hard up for pilots that they blatantly disregard patterns of training issues then basically hang the fact that they'll trash your PRIA if you don't come back and work for them after spending $5k on an "RJ Course (??)"...maybe they shouldn't be taking on that flying?

A prop is not necessarily easier because it is slower. V1 cuts in a prop are more difficult in my opinion for example.
Instead of starting over, your best bet is to build upon what you already have. Definitely take the sim course. But prior to that, make sure you know the systems, and flows and procedures solid. If you are having trouble with instruments, something as simple as a pc based flight sim can help you with that. Infact the purchased version of the CRJ is pretty good when it comes to the using the navigation and flight automation stuff. Spend a month doing that, then go back and knock it out at PSA.

As for if it's going to be on your PRIA, don't worry about it too much right now. It's going to be a couple years before you have the time to go anywhere anyway. This works in your favor because you will put distance between you and the failures, as well as add multiple successful checkrides to your resume. When you do go back and pass training, have some sort of plan for continuing your education. What I mean by that is, don't wait until 2 weeks before recurrent to have a cram session. Make a diagram of each systems, right notes on them, and review one or two systems each trip while you are sitting there doing nothing in cruise. Of course find time to review your GOM and memory items as well. You are going to want to nail each checkride, and especially that captain upgrade, in order to have a good shot at explaining away two initial failures.

But I didn't fail anything. I have no checkride failures.

They are. Most people on here have never actually seen a real PRIA report. For various liability reasons there isn't detail contained in them. All it lists is the date, type of event (GS, LOFT, PC , etc) and whether it was satisfactory or unsat. That's it. No details. No IP comments etc.

With 2 failures and your biggest concern is how to dodge the HR questions, your not going to have to worry about what's on your records or not!!! That should be the least of your concerns. You need to figure out how to pass training before you worry about an interview. That's putting the cart before the horse!!!

BRO,

YOU WASHED OUT OF TRAINING AT TWO AIRLINES. Call it whatever you want.

I remember reading your posts in March this year, Didn't you have an issue at XJet a few months ago....???

I am sorry to hear about your misfortunes but I have a question for you.... Why did you go to PSA or your 2nd airline without doing the Crj course & making sure you can do it...

Pls understand that I am not trying to say this in any negative sense or trying to demean or insult you in any way at all. Just that I am both surprised & frustrated & sorry for your situation, all at the same time.

When I read your posts in March, I told myself that I want to avoid that situation & that is why I did the CRJ course.

Reading your thread back then, saved me.....

I am sorry that you are in this soup, I wish there was anything I could do to help you.

I wish you good luck in your future endeavors.