PSA Bennies?
 

Can anyone share what medical/dental/vision insurance PSA offers?

Specifically for a family of four, the employee's contribution and deductible or out of pocket maximum?

Thanks.

I'm wondering the same thing ^^^.

Interviewed there this week, NO vision, but have a flex spend account that you can put pretax dollars in to pay for.

Bennies not pennies, got it...I thought this was a contract thread.

Family plan is going to run you $647 a month for plan A, $288 a month for Plan B.

Plan A has a $600/$1200 deductible for in/out network. $1800/$3000 max out of pocket for in/out network.

Plan B has a $1000/$2000 deductible for in/out network. $5000/$12000 max out of pocket for in/out network.

Ummmm I believe the deductible is $500 for plan B and 2500 out of pocket.


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Wow that is awful!! Twice as bad as Envoy easy!

$647 a month for a family plan? So a new hire with family basically is going to bring home around $1200/mo after it is all said and done. Unlivable for someone without a sugar momma or a mommy and daddy that still bail them out.

No vision? For pilots? That is a cheap thing kinda dumb to exclude for PILOTS! The deductibles are way too high. What are office copays?

That's 3x's more expensive than PDT. Better plans here too. Just sayin...

did you get a class date? FO or CA interview?

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That's all debatable.. Who is your provider; Obamacare? Medicaid?

Come to trans states it's better.

Lol, you should sit outside the PSA training center and grovel at the feet of people coming to interview to try and draw them to ENY because that's basically what you're doing here. It's pitiful. I'll give you real ammo for them not to come here if you want but you have to clean up this beggars act.

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For individual, yes. This is referring to family.

I couldnt care less how many people come to Envoy big dog. However, what is pitiful is your medical benefits. Really. When they are twice as much as the other wholly owned, it is pretty bad.

It's cute you think I care "big dog". But this is another thread that you had to open because it says "PSA" and you're obsession (bordering on stalker type stuff) is getting pretty epic. Our medical, it sucks. I have ZERO issue saying that. Is ENY that much better? Idk because I don't work there and therefore don't care what their medical benefits are.

Just like this guy. When he asks what ENY's benefits are, I fully expect you to school him on it. He didn't, he obviously doesn't care. But since the spot light isn't on you and your cult airline, you're on here throwing more vitriol and unwanted opinions. No one cares. No one.

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Care to post the family plan numbers for Envoy?

I was content to stay on "my side of the fence", but you tools are spending much more time on our threads spreading blatant lies. At least I am staying in the realm of truth, and the truth is your medical benefits are twice as costly and not as good. Is what it is.

Truth is people do come on here for information on multiple regional airlines and giving them as much TRUTHFUL info in any thread is helping them. You are just upset it isn't helping your precious little airline.

At least I'm not on here going - "PSA will be downgrading and furloughing soon!".

Again, the numbers I posted earlier are family rates. And you don't have to take plan A..for a starting FO plan B is 288/mo, or $144 a paycheck, for family insurance.

For an individual, the rates are as follows:

Individual plan is going to run you $249 a month for plan A, $111 a month for Plan B.

Plan A has a $300/$600 deductible for in/out network. $600/$1000 max out of pocket for in/out network.

Plan B has a $500/$1000 deductible for in/out network. $2500/$6000 max out of pocket for in/out network.

Naturally the thread is already clogged with useless banter. The guy only wanted to know what it would potentially cost him to have family coverage.

Hahaha like I said psa is 3x pdt $20 deductible here.

Tools? You really want to have that ****ing match with me while you praise ENY's every turd? Show me a post in the past couple of years where I said anything but the plain truth? I've told people outright don't come here unless you want to gain hours. If you come here it's to be a classy ***** and nothing else. Management still spit on you, leave you in a corner crying, and not even leave the right amount of cash on the dresser. I don't pretend like some others this place is anything other than a means to an end and even then a poor one. That's not the message that comes from you over there as you had a guy go so far as to claim ENY pilots are akin to NASA astronauts in their hiring.

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PS, you totally can't say who're without the apostrophe.. [emoji56]

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Dude, your benefits at PSA are terrible.

Don't worry. 60 months from when you get your first 4 jets, yours will go to a pilot contribution of 35%. Great deal, huh?..To be fair, PSA's does as well. We are already at 31%.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...-psa-week.html

Look I know you are a Marine and thus taught to kill and not know why, but settle down boy. Down!

Funny you accuse me of harping on PSA stuff but you just went on a tirade about how guys are lying on their Envoy thread. To use your own logic from a few threads against you, why do you care?

Further, you say "I" am trumping up things over there. I'm not. Not saying anything more than your normal (meaning not toolios like FirstClass) guys on your own threads. Our own company has projected that a new hire today will upgrade in 2.5 years and flow to AA in 6. The numbers support that. Could that "NOT" happen? Sure. Just like you could "NOT" get the CRJs as fast as originally planned because your training bubble exploded. Stuff happens. How is what we are doing any different than your guys bringing up street Captains and your own uograde time? Heck I agree, your upgrade for street CAs is obviously faster. 20 years to flow to AA of course is not.

At least I am not over on the PSA threads screaming that you guys will be downgrading and furloughing soon. Given that, I am happy to point out the glaring differences in your medical benefits though. They suck!

You forgot to mention PSA has NO flow-through agreement. All they have is a bs guarantee AA interview at a rate of 4/month which will take about...hmm.. +20 years. (1200active/4/mnth). Now imagine you screw up the interview and get rejected the POSITION at AA after +20 years of waiting!?

If I was a new hire I'd choose a REGIONAL with a Actual Guarantee Flow-Through agreement (NO interview required) to AA. Envoy (gets 50% of all AA classes, 30/month) or Piedmont (3 per month). Think ahead & be ahead of the curve.

Good luck to you all !

Okay let's be fair though: they have had like 3 people ever screw up the interview. See Marine? And Inhave said this before too. In fact, I have given this same factual evidence before as well.

You keep bringing this up......

It's ONE guy that is doing that. You are acting like we all run over there and trash Envoy(like you guys have bee doing for 2 years).

This is a thread about PSA benefits, good or bad, mostly bad it seems. There are plenty of other threads available to trash PSA in.

To be fair, it is mainly one guy, that has been relentless and posting more than 10 guys. There are others as well. Not entirely convinced Eaglefly isn't one of you guys either: he certainly doesn't post like a mature AA guy.

You guys need to get hold of him.

This is way too balanced and objective, I thought you were planning on channeling your inner FirstClass and going rogue... [emoji6]

I saw the NASA thing. Like other posts from that guy, there is some truth and then it is mutated into some supermarket tabloid headline.

envoy has not changed their hiring standards in almost 20 years. I don't think PSA is horrible either. Heck, you guys even made your written test harder and change it up so it cannot be gouged. I like that. Compare us to say, a phone call interview at Mesa, and then it almost is astronaut standards.

You're right. In 6 years we'll be there. Our co pays and deductibles stay where they are though. A very very manageable and inexpensive amount.

Back on topic: take home for potential new hires: while it should not be at the top of your decision list, medical benefit COSTS should be a consideration.

To the guy going to Mesa: have you considered theirs? That is probably one of the worst things about Mesa. Their costs for a family are almost $1000 with huge deductibles that have to be met before any copays kick in.

Fortunately I'm mid 20's and single, with no desire for a family in the near or mid term future. I will miss my current plan though, it's great. Employer pays 75% of the premiums as well, although I've only used my insurance once. I'm a fit guy who is active and eats right, hopefully my good health will continue for decades to come...

I also have a supportive family who will help out if/when I need it, no student debt and only a car loan of 200/mo.

And those people really didn't want the AA job. The current program is in essence a flow; sure, in a more perfect world you'd like some stronger language, but it's working well for those who get called. The numbers, however, do suck. No way around that.

While you correctly point out that the current PSA SSP is a turd, do you really think that the regional segment is going to survive, as it is now, over the next 20 years? Heck, even 5 years? The Big 3 Legacy carriers alone have more retirements over the next decade than all the current regional airlines have pilots.
As eaglefly keeps pointing out, very soon Envoy is going to have to hire a LOT of pilots to keep that flow going. How's that going to work out for you, when everyone on here insists that the pool of pilots to draw from is drying up?

See this is what I am talking about. First off you are believing a tool like Eaglefly. Second off - really? Envoy is going to have to FIRE people? Come on dude. Make some sense and stop listening to some guy who is angry at the world because he is fat.

I'll play along though. Do tell why we are going to have to fire pilots to keep our flow going?

Ok, my bad. HIRE people. Autocorrect fail, or something like that.

My point being, there are way too many unknowns at the regional level to make blanket statements like "upgrade in 2.5, flow in 6" statements.

How long did it take you late 90s / early '00s hires to flow, and what were they promised?

Good grief can't you come up with something new?

So here is my question for the hopeful Envoy newhires to ponder. What happens to the "real flow" numbers when Envoy stops shrinking and those new 175's show up? Don't you have to hire new warm bodies to replace the flows? And where are all these pilots going to come from? I thought the regionals were already scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Hope this never happens but I wouldn't bet the farm on the "real flow" your so proud of when you start getting new planes and staffing gets tight.


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