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Old 02-19-2017, 03:33 PM
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Don't thank him for his reply, he's just bitter and taking it out on you as a keyboard warrior. Many people are on here for information, and having to deal with those who only troll to make them feel bigger while they live in their mom's basement is a detractor, but doesn't take away from the fact that you can still get good info here.

Do the degree, period. For you, not for the majors. You'll thank me later.

Military has an advantage at all the majors currently, so you have to overcome that with something like community service or a management position. Seek responsibility in your current (or future) company so you stand out among your peers.

Good luck in your pursuit of the "Golden Wings". They exist. And they are becoming easier to obtain every month.
Thank you very much for the advice, it is taken to heart for sure. The degree is for me and me only, if it happens to help out great, if not well I still have the satisfaction.
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Old 02-19-2017, 03:36 PM
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To be fair, I have been at this a long time and I certainly don't appreciate the tag that I am acting like a certain generation. I received my first CFI/CFII fixed wing in 1997, worked at it hard and then 9/11 hit, pushing me out for several years. I then worked all the way back up to a CFI in rotorcraft, opened my own tour business and had that taken away by 2008. I am now back current again, with all the needed ratings and to be honest a little gun shy as this may be my last chance at 38 years old.

I was very polite and simply wanted to some advice as I don't know that I can afford any mistakes. While I agree that the journey is great and very important, it can be derailed easily, as has happened to me several times. I was told long ago to seek the council of those that have been or are going through something to avoid the pitfalls they may have suffered.

As for the search function, I did use it, but lots of the info in them is either buried, not timely anymore or the conversation had devolved into something altogether different.

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There really is no way to know what the perfect path is with the airlines. Outside of graduating from the Naval Academy with a 4.0 GPA, flying fighters off of a carrier, and then going straight to Delta, it is very uncertain.

The best thing to do is to be good at what you do, be professional, market yourself, and network. Your path will likely not be clear, but be ready to jump when the time is right.
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You're welcome. And when you're trying to put it all into perspective, just bear in mind that there are at least 15,000 (or more) regional pilots with applications in ahead of you and me, who all have more hours than us, and are great pilots (just ask them, they will tell ya!).

Seriously, you have to somehow make your resume rise to the top. Being a pilot with hours is NOT the way to do that. Be smarter than a pilot.

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Thank you very much for the advice, it is taken to heart for sure. The degree is for me and me only, if it happens to help out great, if not well I still have the satisfaction.
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Old 02-19-2017, 03:45 PM
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You're welcome. And when you're trying to put it all into perspective, just bear in mind that there are at least 15,000 (or more) regional pilots with applications in ahead of you and me, who all have more hours than us, and are great pilots (just ask them, they will tell ya!).

Seriously, you have to somehow make your resume rise to the top. Being a pilot with hours is NOT the way to do that. Be smarter than a pilot.
Wow, that really does put it into perspective. To be honest, I would be fine retiring as a regional pilot, I just want to fly for a good company. Thanks again HighFlight, been most helpful.
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Wow, that really does put it into perspective. To be honest, I would be fine retiring as a regional pilot, I just want to fly for a good company. Thanks again HighFlight, been most helpful.
If you think you might end up retiring at a regional i would go with SkyWest they are a great airline and they have a base in PHX and LAX. They pay relatively well and fly for 4 different airlines so they are as stable as a regional can be. Networking is huge to make it to the majors. If you do end up having to commute, its a perfect opportunity to talk to people in the flight deck. Thats how inran across a chief pilot at United that helped me get my job there. It has its benefits.
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Make yourself as marketable as possible. Upgrade and get some PIC time. Work with the safety department, or teach ground school/sims for a little bit, be a mentor, be involved in something. (If you have military flying, that certainly counts!)

The majority of the people at our company that are going to legacies all had "extra" things on their resume. Having a college degree, 6000 hours, being a captain, and having a clean record is what half of the regional pilots have. If you want to stand out, show them that you are something different.

You may get hired without anything else, but for every "normal" person that gets hired without anything extra, 10 people with extra things will also get hired.
This advise is worth repeating.
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Originally Posted by AZPilotMike View Post
I am working on a degree and will finish for my own satisfaction,
It will provide more than than satisfaction in this business.

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but there are lots of guys I know that are not even bothering with it,
Everybody I know who doesn't have it is working on it.

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hoping to god that the demand is high enough that they won't be needed.
Best case they'll be bitter that they got hired about eight later years later than their college-grad peers. Worst case things slow down a bit, and they're stuck at the regional.

Majors jobs, especially legacy jobs, are highly sought after, highly compensated, low stress, respectable white collar jobs with lots of time off. The people you're competing with are not the nose-picker sitting next to you in the RJ. It's the fighter pilot with the weapons school patch, the LCA with the masters degree, the captain who runs a charity on her days off. People who don't have degrees are automatically in the last resort bucket for all of the best jobs.



Flow can bypass the degree requirement, assuming the flow keeps flowing. If you absolutely can't/won't get the degree, better sign up for flow.
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Old 02-20-2017, 07:37 PM
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Its never a popular subject on the forums, but truth is, there are many factors involved with hiring that can not be acquired or trained. Some things you are literally "born with."
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This advise is worth repeating.









Never take "advice" from someone who doesn't know how to spell it!
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