Dude you're reaching! The only people that knock the flow are those that aren't involved in it. You might want to find another rock to **** on.

OMG, What's up Sweet! You still at AWAC?

Billyboy, we've been over this already. You sat at PDT for what, 20 years? You were waiting for the flow because no one else would hire you.. I've only been with AWA for 2 years, so I guess I have 18 more to go if I want to follow your example. :)

OMG! Is that you sweet? You still at AWAC??

Done already? That was faster than usual.. But hey, who am I to argue with you about flows when you waited more than 20 years for yours?

Btw I've been looking for that Dave Chappelle gif you posted a while back. That one always gives me a chuckle :D

No seriously are you still at AWAC?

No, billy. AWAC does not exist anymore. AWA on the other hand...

Oh okay are you still at AWA?

I thought I knew where this was going but...I give up. You were at PDT for 20 years, so you may ask me this question again in 18 years. Fair enough? ;)

Omg it's Sweet!! What's up !!! You still at AWA!!! 20 years at piedmont? Lol not close. You need to back it off a few years😜. How long you been at AWA?

Let me guess...... 5-6 years and still about 50 numbers from upgrade. Then if you do upgrade you'll be on reserve for about 2 years. Sweet..., that's sweet!!!
And you were saying something about my career advise? lol continue little butterfly 😜

Totally bro. All these guys at PDT should've gone elsewhere and waited five years to upgrade. Then built PIC time for another couple years and then applied to United or "the other majors".

You do realize that people can come to Piedmont and upgrade as soon as they have 2,500 TT and 1,000 hours 121 time right? And the flow doesn't keep them from going to "United or the other majors", right?

So yea keep waiting for your upgrade while everyone else builds PIC time FAST and applies to "United or the other majors" before they'll even look at your resume before throwing it out

Advice, billy.... A-D-V-I-C-E.

Now listen I understand you came into the industry during a more difficult time. But the simple truth is people were eventually hired into the majors while you sat at Piedmont for (about) 20 years, right? Is there something about that statement that isn't truthful? Why would anyone take your advice if you couldn't even get out of the regionals on your own? You are fortunate that the flow saved you from this mess after you sat around for a couple decades, but does that really make you an expert on getting hired at the majors?

PS I already told you how long I've been at AWA. I don't know why you're so embarrassed about your career, that you'd start making up numbers. Really feeling sorry for you right now. :(

Bruh, what did he do to you? Did he run over your dog or something?

To me it sounded like he was banking on one option and not staying well rounded is all etc etc. I get that you can move around even if your not at a WO. I know you're not stuck....

Your back and forth is pretty obnoxious. Wish you would stop ****ing all over the place in multiple threads that have nothing to do with your stupid beef.

And SHJ, consistently going for the low-hanging fruit with the non-stop ad homs makes your argumentative intellect appear just as unimpressive as what you're trying to make Billy appear to be. Give it a rest.

**Holsters booger** Shoot me a PM if you don't mind. Like to pick your brain on something....

Billyho is a well-known troll. This is quite normal however, so don't worry. He trolls for a bit, then I embarrass him a little and then we move on. :)

You are not using "ad hom" properly, in this case. I am not attacking billyho. I am questioning whether his career track record justifies his self-perceived expertise of airline hiring. Your argumentative intellect is unimpressive...so maybe give it a rest?

I'm using it exactly correctly. You highlight in red text his spelling/grammatical errors to draw a correlation between his communication skills and his credibility to be giving career advice. Go read a book.

Ahh I understand exactly where you are coming from, which is about 5 posts behind the conversation. Read a page or two and then get back to me. :rolleyes:

PS: I've been making fun of billy's grammar for a long time now. It's kinda hard not to. Try to ignore it if it bothers you.

Irrelevant. And since you just learned what an ad hom actually is and had to face the fact that you didn't have squat of an argument, this is the best you could do.

I don't know how I can make my argument (more of a question, really) any more clear. Just read what I posted and decide for yourself if it's all ad hom.. I have no problem coming after billy personally, but I thought my question was a fair one.

He's right. I'm next door to vps and spent a week getting a decent sample of available, single hop commutes to majors and regionals. Between vps, pns and ecp - you really have some options.

At least *that* resembles a question with a thought out premise.

But let's be honest here. You and I both know that you didn't get around to asking about Billy's career this one particular time, in this one particular thread, because you genuinely care about the quality of advice that other forum users receive from him. It's the same old schtick that I've seen between you two numerous times. He says something (crazy or not) and you bite every single time.

Had you not popped in here playing grammar nazi, we probably wouldn't be doing this right now. And that is what is annoying.

So you were upset about my possible ad hom argument, but now you presume to tell me what I know? ;)

Just kidding. If you are that annoyed, I will take my business elsewhere. Good evening.

That's good to hear. Really sweating trying to commute around here. Everyone has said it will be especially nightmarish 'round these parts.

If American is his first choice why would that not make him well rounded? What the hell does that even mean?

Most people have a first choice in Majors. Usually has to do with Bases and retirements. American has tons of retirements coming. Hell in just May we have 45 and that number is going to get higher and higher each month. If American is your first choice then the WO's might be the best avenue (unless of course you're a Military Pilot)

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE JUST ANSWER THE ORIGINAL QUESTION??!

Break down the differences in the flows between the WO regionals. Go have these childish debates on Facebook or somewhere else. Seriously!

I hear this crap all the time and it's such a lie. Guess what! We have the same chance of applying outside of the flow that you do at your non wholly-onwed. People who say this just want to justified the fact that now they see the truth and how hard is going to be to get an interview outside of the wholly owned. If someone is smart at the moment they will go to a wholly-onwed and wait. Delta is going to try and purge americans feed and American is going to try and purge Delta feed. People at non-wholly onwed work for all the big 3 so why will they start purging their cheap feed. So yea good luck trying to justify your decision.

How about you do some research with that attitude! Jeez chill out!

READ Son READ! Someone Posted your answer! Right now Piedmont is probably the fastest time to flow.

First Page. 4th comment. There's your sign.

PDT pilots are now getting buoyed into aal off the street outside of the flow. The legacies need pilots.. keep nose clean, fly right and safe. Get some pic time, a college degree, a little volunteering, a few hours a month at your local food bank, soup kitchen is all you need. We all have connections at legacies.. use them. Help a friend's kid learn how to fly or get a mainline pilots kid im worn your company and mentor him..

At the risk of sounding like a "cheerleader", any time I jumpseat on Republic, the conversation always turns to our flow. I don't initiate it, the Republic pilots do. And every single time, they say that they wish they had one so that they wouldn't have to jump through all these hoops to get on with a legacy. Take it for what it's worth...

Another benefit of the flow. Connections at mainline. Its already happening now but in a couple years when retirements go crazy more OTF pilots will get picked up.

Correct Mr. BillyHo!!

I live near Philly so PDT then AA is my first choice. Maybe United out of Newark would be my number two pick.

I had to get 121 time somewhere. I need the 1000 hours SIC 121 time to upgrade. Then the PIC 121 time, which is the goal of all of us stuck in the regional quagmire. Once I get s few thousand hours of 121 PIC I might apply somewhere else. Nobody seems to care about the 11 years of single pilot, single engine 135 flying; whatever!! That's where I spent the post 911/2008 meltdown. Which is why I'm not counting on anything but death and taxes.

I'm not sure what people can't understand about a quick upgrade and a flow?!???! But this is what works for me. I'm home when I get build up line with reserve days. I leave the house two hours before I report for work. Whatever PDT or AA has in Philly and I can hold I will fly.

You're going to Envoy for domicile and commute? Wait what? If those are your priorities I'd head over to the Envoy thread. They've got some pretty gnarly reserve rules and from what I've heard some awful commuting schedules....

I'm on reserve and it's not bad at all. I also know the guys in LGA have lines in less than a month

I've been on the Envoy thread for months now. Seems like the best bet for me out of the Florida Panhandle.

Figure I'll be in LGA until I can figure a way to get into DFW......its going to be a two leg no doubt to LGA but I've got plenty of company metal options out of the Panhandle it seems like, plus other airline options.

Abosolutly man! Great choice. You should be able to get dfw right out of training if not a month or two.