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Old 03-06-2007 | 08:51 AM
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Maybe the FO is a better pilot. The Captain does not always fly when it is going to be a "difficult situation".

The big problem here is that at that company, in that airplane, on that runway, it is a Captains ONLY approach. That is what will really burn him.
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Old 03-06-2007 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PILOTGUY
Maybe the FO is a better pilot. The Captain does not always fly when it is going to be a "difficult situation".

The big problem here is that at that company, in that airplane, on that runway, it is a Captains ONLY approach. That is what will really burn him.
are you serious??? thats really strange. i have only seen that once here at pinnacle and it was in the northeast (honestly cant remember the airport) but it was captains only, at night, because the runway was displaced 4000 feet for construction.
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Old 03-07-2007 | 05:59 AM
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I don't care if the approach was legal because 2000 RVR was called inside the marker. The fact of the matter is that 2000 RVR is barely doable with an ILS approach. With the GS out it's very unwise to continue the LOC approach. The short snow covered runway didn't help either.
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Old 03-07-2007 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sgrd0q
The fact of the matter is that 2000 RVR is barely doable with an ILS approach.
Not that this comment has any bearing on this accident...but an RVR of 2000 is above most CAT I minimums, let alone CAT II or III. It is very 'doable'.
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Old 03-07-2007 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by shackone
Not that this comment has any bearing on this accident...but an RVR of 2000 is above most CAT I minimums, let alone CAT II or III. It is very 'doable'.
2000rvr is quite a bit of visibility. i am not saying its clear and a million, but 2000 is good enough for everyone to get in.
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Old 03-07-2007 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
are you serious??? thats really strange. i have only seen that once here at pinnacle and it was in the northeast (honestly cant remember the airport) but it was captains only, at night, because the runway was displaced 4000 feet for construction.
That is what I was told by a friend of mine who fly's the 170. I thought that it was a little odd myself, because the runway is really not that short. I will have to get some more info from him. It could be because the runway was also contaminated.
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Old 03-08-2007 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PILOTGUY
That is what I was told by a friend of mine who fly's the 170. I thought that it was a little odd myself, because the runway is really not that short. I will have to get some more info from him. It could be because the runway was also contaminated.
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2000rvr is quite a bit of visibility. i am not saying its clear and a million, but 2000 is good enough for everyone to get in.
Apparently not everyone or we wouldn't be having this discussion...

2000 RVR is just over 1/2 mile, factor in blowing snow, snow covered approach and touchdown zone, centerline, and runway edge lights and you make it very difficult to judge where the. BTW, min RVR for LOC only on 28 is 4000 RVR for their Cat.
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0702/00084I28.PDF
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