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Seven3Seven 07-03-2017 11:32 AM

Is Skywest adding flights to cover Horizon?
 
Someone on airliner.net mentioned they thought Skywest added an extra flight to cover a cancelled Horizon flight. There's a big article this week on how Horizon is cancelling flights due to the pilot shortage.

True? Thoughts? Scabs?

Winston 07-03-2017 12:11 PM

Scabs? Really?

Is Horizon on strike?

Omnipotent 07-03-2017 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2389097)
Scabs? Really?

Is Horizon on strike?

Just a technicality. They are non-union, flying union work.... Connect the dots.

Winston 07-03-2017 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Omnipotent (Post 2389118)
Just a technicality.

No, it's not.

You diminish the power of that perjorative by using it loosely and incorrectly.

Regionals (union represented or not) have been in the business of adding flights to cover other Connection/Express/whatever Airlines who can't meet their mainline commitments for decades.

Mesa in particular has a long history of being unable to staff their flights, which have been picked up on an as needed basis by other carriers. Are all the pilots who fly those trips scabs? No.

Nevjets 07-03-2017 01:07 PM

Is Skywest adding flights to cover Horizon?
 

Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2389125)
No, it's not.

You diminish the power of that perjorative by using it loosely and incorrectly.

Regionals (union represented or not) have been in the business of adding flights to cover other Connection/Express/whatever Airlines who can't meet their mainline commitments for decades.

Mesa in particular has a long history of being unable to staff their flights, which have been picked up on an as needed basis by other carriers. Are all the pilots who fly those trips scabs? No.


I agree that that term should be held for strikebreaker but I think that what he meant as a technicality is that if a non-union worker covers for the work of union employees, that that is technically a scab. Therefore, any union pilot covering flights for union Mesa pilots would not be scabs.

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a : a contemptible person
b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scab

Winston 07-03-2017 01:35 PM

Within the confines of this profession that term is not colloquial, it refers to a pilot who flies struck work as defined by one's MEC during the course of a specific strike action.

Let's all try to be adults here and address the real issues leading to this shell game of regional carriers, in this case the lack of any real scope protection in Alaska's contract. The reality is that no one should be flying these routes except Alaska Airlines pilots (not SkyWest, and not Horizon).

Address THAT and you've gone a long way towards solving the problem. Far more so than randomly calling people names on an anonymous Internet forum.

N19906 07-03-2017 02:33 PM

Don't use that word loosely, it's the nuclear option.
It doesn't apply in this situation.

word302 07-03-2017 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Seven3Seven (Post 2389076)
Someone on airliner.net mentioned they thought Skywest added an extra flight to cover a cancelled Horizon flight. There's a big article this week on how Horizon is cancelling flights due to the pilot shortage.

True? Thoughts? Scabs?

This is a joke, right? Skywest covers for multiple regionals everyday. Scabs? Lol.

hawk21 07-03-2017 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by Seven3Seven (Post 2389076)
Someone on airliner.net mentioned they thought Skywest added an extra flight to cover a cancelled Horizon flight. There's a big article this week on how Horizon is cancelling flights due to the pilot shortage.

True? Thoughts? Scabs?

Lost my desire to give you an honest answer when you threw "scabs" out there

Seven3Seven 07-04-2017 10:26 AM

IF AS adds a Skywest section after cancelling a QX flight because of their own mismanagement I think the ALPA brothers at both AS and QX should be crying foul.

Otherwise whats to stop them from just making every flight Alaska, operated by Skywest?

Winston 07-04-2017 10:39 AM

They can cry all they want, but in the absence of iron-clad scope restrictions in the Alaska pilot's contract dictating who is allowed to operate Alaska Airlines flights, the answer to your question is:

Nothing.

amcnd 07-04-2017 11:11 AM

To actually answer the question... Yes. Mostly OAK-PDX and PDX-SEA flights.. no one is on strike. Regionals cover for other regionals all the time.. maybe not to this extent but they do.... (The CRJ700 last 2 months flying all QX flights).

Packrat 07-04-2017 12:27 PM

As everyone else has said: If QX isn't on strike then no one is scabbing.

trip 07-04-2017 01:29 PM

So the QX flight cancellations are the result of union work action? please explain.

snackysmores 07-04-2017 04:55 PM

Yes Alaska has been using SkyWest to cover some of our cancelled flights, and no they aren't scabs. It's ridiculous to even entertain the thought.

There's no union / job action at horizon now. We were short on FOs before the summer schedule started and they are trying to grow at the same time. We warned them this was coming years ago and the new hire pay package needed to be addressed and they told us to F off.


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