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Flightsafety 08-23-2017 01:10 PM

Airline Job and Flight instruction on side ?
 
Hey Everyone,

Just wondering after getting a job at one of the regionals coming at it from a flight instruction background, is it possible (legal) to do flight instruction on my days off ?
I spoke to some of my friends who do both and they kind of left it as a gray area.
I know the airline has forms that you can fill out and send out for approval to the HR Dept but being a new hire I wanted to get opinions of the community before I decide to do so.

TiredSoul 08-23-2017 08:16 PM

Flight instructing counts as commercial flying and therefore to your quarterly and yearly totals.
It's kind of sour for your primary employer to not be able to schedule you because of the amount of flying you do on the side.
Also consider accidents, incidents or violations affecting your main job and your airline career.
I've chosen not to for several reasons;
I'd consider teaching ground school as that's something I've always enjoyed anyway but no flying.
Not too interested in SE flying for now and I don't want to take away somebody else's ME time.
Somebody who still needs it.
I haven't flown a SE or any piston for that matter in 3.5 years.
I'm slowly starting to think about doing a flight here of there with friends that still fly GA.

Flightsafety 08-24-2017 11:23 AM

[MENTION=69490]TiredSoul[/MENTION], thanks just what i wanted to know.

dsmith3631 08-24-2017 07:57 PM

According to FAR 117.23, the only time counted is that flown "by flightcrew members on behalf of any certificate holder or 91K Program Manager". As far as I know, there has never been an interpretation to expand certificate holder to anything beyond 121 or 91k operators. At my last airline, they asked for all commercial hours, but only recorded 121 and 91k hours for FAR 117 purposes. If you wanted to instruct on the side, you only need to inform the CP and have an acknowledgement from him. YMMV.

TiredSoul 08-25-2017 03:19 AM

And you're incorrect


Assuming that the instructor is receiving compensation, the FAA considers time spent acting as a flight instructor under parts 61 and 141 to be other commercial flying under part 135. Legal Interpretation 1990-32 (Oct. 31, 1990).
Besides 117 is the wrong reg as those are rest rules and not cumulative flight times per month/quarter/calendar year.

Flyhayes 08-25-2017 06:56 AM

FAR 117.23 superseded the 121 cumulative regulations.
The Letter of Interpretation Tired Soul brings up is null and void.
However your airline may impose additional limitations.

rickair7777 08-25-2017 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by Flyhayes (Post 2419443)
FAR 117.23 superseded the 121 cumulative regulations.
The Letter of Interpretation Tired Soul brings up is null and void.
However your airline may impose additional limitations.

Correct.

Only outside 121/91k flying counts against your rest/duty/flight time limitations under 117.

Some airlines still have policy limits on ANY outside flying, but you could address that with the airline, it's not regulatory.

TiredSoul 08-25-2017 07:32 AM

Mmmmm...ok I stand corrected.
So how does the FAA look upon 8 hrs of flight instruction followed by a commute and a 121 revenue leg?
Essentially a self inflicted 16+ hrs duty day?
'Careless and reckless' ?

Flyhayes 08-25-2017 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2419462)
Mmmmm...ok I stand corrected.
So how does the FAA look upon 8 hrs of flight instruction followed by a commute and a 121 revenue leg?
Essentially a self inflicted 16+ hrs duty day?
'Careless and reckless' ?

That's an entirely different question.

IDIOTPILOT 08-25-2017 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2419462)
Mmmmm...ok I stand corrected.
So how does the FAA look upon 8 hrs of flight instruction followed by a commute and a 121 revenue leg?
Essentially a self inflicted 16+ hrs duty day?
'Careless and reckless' ?

You have to declare and sign yourself fit for duty. It's your signature, whether electronic or paper.


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