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I just read the whole thread. What really stood out were the posts complaining that Skyhigh is "pitiful" and "negative" which seemed pointless and didn't really contribute to this thread at all. It's obvious he's trying to prove a point, and his persistance is there. Let him do his thing so maybe a youngin like me could learn something. Give him a break and let it be. Potty |
Originally Posted by PottyMouth22
(Post 145493)
I just read the whole thread. What really stood out were the posts complaining that Skyhigh is "pitiful" and "negative" which seemed pointless and didn't really contribute to this thread at all. It's obvious he's trying to prove a point, and his persistance is there. Let him do his thing so maybe a youngin like me could learn something. Give him a break and let it be. Potty |
Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer
(Post 136415)
Use the ignore button...
He's right about the military part... Add "United States' to the beginning of the school you went to and HR is inrterviewing the other people just to cover their / company behind... Golf, family ties, etc....All critical in careers / jobs / companies that have lots of applicants for very few positions. Every applicant will have the techincal aptitude / skills required. Its HRs job to eliminate the 'clean kills' and then sort out the top candidates. Many times a manager will know who they want they tell HR and the paperwork is processed. A mock interview is set-up and a few chumps show up all excited only to realize the guy with USAF fighter experience is the only one going home with the job.... -LAFF |
Originally Posted by PottyMouth22
(Post 145493)
I just read the whole thread. What really stood out were the posts complaining that Skyhigh is "pitiful" and "negative" which seemed pointless and didn't really contribute to this thread at all. It's obvious he's trying to prove a point, and his persistance is there. Let him do his thing so maybe a youngin like me could learn something. Give him a break and let it be. Potty Many days away from home, many days at home. Low pay in the beginning. Sitting around airports for long periods of time. Occasional furlough and/or strike. Inconvenient schedules. Expensive airport food. Running from gate to gate (figuretivly speaking). Staying in stinky hotels and crash pads. Oh ya...and they let you fly an airliner. Take it in that order and I think you'll do just fine. ;) |
Originally Posted by N6724G
(Post 145820)
So, what about those of us that served in the military as officers but didnt fly?
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Originally Posted by XJPILOT1
(Post 145824)
A youngin like you needs to listen to real airline pilots who knew what they were getting into when they signed their training contract. The unbiased truth needs to be presented to 'youngin's' and then let them decide.
Many days away from home, many days at home. Low pay in the beginning. Sitting around airports for long periods of time. Occasional furlough and/or strike. Inconvenient schedules. Expensive airport food. Running from gate to gate (figuretivly speaking). Staying in stinky hotels and crash pads. Oh ya...and they let you fly an airliner. Take it in that order and I think you'll do just fine. ;) Doesn't matter though. |
SkyHigh voluntarily takes the honors of reporting the downside of aviation, and along with some creative license he generally writes with credibility and friendliness of spirit. He performs a valuable function by providing counterpoint to the often unbalanced imageries found in many descriptions of this industry. He appears to care for the subject or he wouldn't return year after year to this forum. There's an element of goodwill in his thoughts and anyone getting into airline flying needs to hear them. Perhaps not all aviation careers progress smoothly to a happy conclusion despite all amounts of moxy, determination, and love.
Sky: next time my company sends me to Seattle I will attend that barbeque you propose. Blast and I will bring the beer. |
911
Originally Posted by stickwiggler
(Post 145444)
I'm not sure what SH said to tick everyone off, but I too am a little disillusioned by the career. After flight school in the Army in 1990, misc aviation jobs, ASA since 97, I find myself looking for security outside the cockpit.
In Sept of 2000 I made jet captain, was finishing up a long overdue BS from ERAU (extended campus). I told myself just one year in the left seat of the jet, I'd have the resume complete; military, school, 121 jet PIC, and save up a little cash for first year pay at a legacy. Then Sept 2001 came along and 19 *********s change my career, maybe my life forever. For everyone that thinks that the regionals are a quick stepping stone the big leagues, think again. This industry has a loooonng history, of feast or famine. It's a gamble. A good one for some, and some cases just not worth it. Stick 911 did a lot to do my career in as well. SkyHigh |
Yea !!
Originally Posted by Cubdriver
(Post 146049)
SkyHigh voluntarily takes the honors of reporting the downside of aviation, and along with some creative license he generally writes with credibility and friendliness of spirit. He performs a valuable function by providing counterpoint to the often unbalanced imageries found in many descriptions of this industry. He appears to care for the subject or he wouldn't return year after year to this forum. There's an element of goodwill in his thoughts and anyone getting into airline flying needs to hear them. Perhaps not all aviation careers progress smoothly to a happy conclusion despite all amounts of moxy, determination, and love.
Sky: next time my company sends me to Seattle I will attend that barbeque you propose. Blast and I will bring the beer. SkyHigh |
Originally Posted by desertdog71
(Post 136402)
When they start making us fly 70hrs a week and sleep in the plane, while being woken up by skanky *****s. Maybe then I will go back to it.
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 136398)
Strike one Not an ex-military pilot. That is one strike against you.
Strike two You don't come from a prominent aviation family with strong ties in the airlines. That is strike two. It is possible to get hired at a major with three strikes but not very likely. If anyone does a little research on new hire classes at the majors it becomes easy to find a pattern. Skyhigh Where do you get your information regarding these? These people clearly haven't got a clue. |
Experience
Originally Posted by Pilot41
(Post 146282)
Where do you get your information regarding these? These people clearly haven't got a clue.
SkyHigh |
The I suggest you need to study a little harder. My studies show nothing of the sort.
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Just like everything else there is a positive way to look at this. Instead of saying the glass is half empty, you could say its half full if ya know what I mean.
i.e. I've got a college degree = +5pts, Military Experience = +5pts, etc, etc. I think thats a much better way to look at it. :) Just my two cents. |
Well Then?
Originally Posted by Pilot41
(Post 146428)
The I suggest you need to study a little harder. My studies show nothing of the sort.
SkyHigh |
My Aim
Originally Posted by hopefulharry
(Post 146465)
Just like everything else there is a positive way to look at this. Instead of saying the glass is half empty, you could say its half full if ya know what I mean.
i.e. I've got a college degree = +5pts, Military Experience = +5pts, etc, etc. I think thats a much better way to look at it. :) Just my two cents. At least half of all new hires are ex-military pilots. Since 911 I am sure that the percentage has increased due to the larger number of military pilots trained. Of the remainder it is easy to find connections and recognizable family names in every new hire class. Some even require an internal recommendation of some sort. College is preferred and even one third had masters degrees thanks again to the military pilots. Lastly if you have a DUI, bad credit, misdemeanor, felony, aircraft accident, been fired from a pilot position, bad driving record or anything else that you wouldn't proudly tell your mother about in your history it will count as a strike against you. People get hired all the time with one or two strikes. Most of the time new hires have none. My point is that one can predict their chances or even improve them by using the three strikes as a guide. SkyHigh |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 146527)
I think it would be easy to produce a flow chart of ones chances in aviation. A prospective pilot could start at the top and work his way down to the probible outcomes.
At least half of all new hires are ex-military pilots. Since 911 I am sure that the percentage has increased due to the larger number of military pilots trained. Of the remainder it is easy to find connections and recognizable family names in every new hire class. Some even require an internal recommendation of some sort. College is preferred and even one third had masters degrees thanks again to the military pilots. Lastly if you have a DUI, bad credit, misdemeanor, felony, aircraft accident, been fired from a pilot position, bad driving record or anything else that you wouldn't proudly tell your mother about in your history it will count as a strike against you. People get hired all the time with one or two strikes. Most of the time new hires have none. My point is that one can predict their chances or even improve them by using the three strikes as a guide. SkyHigh I dunno I would say most first year F/O's probbaly dont have immaculate credit, :o |
True
Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
(Post 146530)
I dunno I would say most first year F/O's probbaly dont have immaculate credit, :o
SkyHigh |
Originally Posted by hopefulharry
(Post 146465)
Just like everything else there is a positive way to look at this. Instead of saying the glass is half empty, you could say its half full if ya know what I mean.
i.e. I've got a college degree = +5pts, Military Experience = +5pts, etc, etc. I think thats a much better way to look at it. :) Just my two cents. |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 146527)
At least half of all new hires are ex-military pilots. Since 911 I am sure that the percentage has increased due to the larger number of military pilots trained. SkyHigh
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 146527)
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At least half of all new hires are ex-military pilots. Since 911 I am sure that the percentage has increased due to the larger number of military pilots trained. |
Interesting
Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine
(Post 146547)
I think the numbers of pilots going through UPT has been pretty steady or actually declined some. Additionally, the guys going through now are being locked up by longer and longer commitments. I think that in the near future there's going to be a lot more "pull" on the civilian market of pilots.
SkyHigh |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 136398)
Strike one Not an ex-military pilot. That is one strike against you.
Strike two You don't come from a prominent aviation family with strong ties in the airlines. That is strike two. Strike three You have a DUI, are overweight, no college, older than most, took to long to upgrade, was fired during initial training at a regional, are not overly attractive, can not play golf, Lack people skills, HR gal was having a bad day and a huge number of other silly reasons that you can have your dreams rubbed out. It is possible to get hired at a major with three strikes but not very likely. If anyone does a little research on new hire classes at the majors it becomes easy to find a pattern. Skyhigh Dang, Skyhigh. I have 2 strikes (arguably 3) and I was hired at a major at age 28!! I guess I am just lucky. BTW, I read your story. It sounds a lot like my story. Even the same time frame. We must be about the same age. Anyway, my story was hard too. Nothing like a family of 4 on 22K per year. WIC (public assistance) came in handy for milk and cheese while I was an engineer on the B727 for a major cargo hauler. First year pay is a beotch!! I just did not quit. Thought about it, but hung around. You have to pay your dues, not quit and whine about what might have been. |
Smart Choice
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 146743)
Dang, Skyhigh. I have 2 strikes (arguably 3) and I was hired at a major at age 28!! I guess I am just lucky. BTW, I read your story. It sounds a lot like my story. Even the same time frame. We must be about the same age. Anyway, my story was hard too. Nothing like a family of 4 on 22K per year. WIC (public assistance) came in handy for milk and cheese while I was an engineer on the B727 for a major cargo hauler. First year pay is a beotch!! I just did not quit. Thought about it, but hung around. You have to pay your dues, not quit and whine about what might have been.
I never said the three strikes were perfect and I am sure that a few people will be able to prove them wrong. Luck can sneak in anyplace however even pilots with a perfect score can be left empty handed by bad luck. Skyhigh |
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