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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 137465)
Who the hell wants to retire at 30? You would be so bored you wouldn't know what to do with yourself. Sure, you might have a list of things to do that would kill some time, but not 30-50 years(or longer).:rolleyes:
I would agree with your premise though, and every person I know who technically "retired" at an early age went on to do something else, like start another company, take a volunteer job, etc. That being said, they did this because they could, not because they had to. Any way you splice it, I would much rather be doing what I want where I want vs. "the man" telling me where to go and what to do next at the risk of losing my paycheck. I suppose "retirement" to me really means "financially independent". |
I agree that far less than 200K is sufficient for a family to live comfortably. If it's not enough to live how you WANT to live, then too damn bad. You should've been an investment banker.
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Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
(Post 137478)
oh paleez!, ya and jeff gordon's number 24 costs about 260k, but when will you ever see that on the road? i'm speaking in practical terms.
Sure, they're not practical, but that wasn't the challenge. You said to come up with ONE car over $200K, and I came up with over a dozen. |
Originally Posted by Uncle Bose
(Post 137540)
That is not a street-legal production car available to the public. Everything on the list is, and many of them can be seen regularly on the streets of LA and Miami.
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
(Post 137581)
I have a 2005 Honda s2000, and its a fraction of 200k, but runs the 1/4 mile in 13.9 :):D ;)
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My wifes an MD so I get to pursue my passion for aviation. I fly because I love it and I would think most of you would do the same. Its a shame that everyone wants to retire for a years work! If you dont like it then I hear Home Depot needs help in the plumbing dept. Lifes short, enjoy what you have and what you do because it could end tomorrow in a blink. I left my job at age 34 to pursue my aviation career and took a huge pay cut and it was worth it because I get to fly. Its just sad to see so much anger towards the industry.
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Originally Posted by shamrok
(Post 137632)
My wifes an MD so I get to pursue my passion for aviation. I fly because I love it and I would think most of you would do the same. Its a shame that everyone wants to retire for a years work! If you dont like it then I hear Home Depot needs help in the plumbing dept. Lifes short, enjoy what you have and what you do because it could end tomorrow in a blink. I left my job at age 34 to pursue my aviation career and took a huge pay cut and it was worth it because I get to fly. Its just sad to see so much anger towards the industry.
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Stand up and take notice
Originally Posted by shamrok
(Post 137632)
My wifes an MD so I get to pursue my passion for aviation. .............................. I left my job at age 34 to pursue my aviation career and took a huge pay cut and it was worth it because I get to fly.
Originally Posted by shamrok
(Post 137632)
Its just sad to see so much anger towards the industry.
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Originally Posted by shamrok
(Post 137632)
My wifes an MD so I get to pursue my passion for aviation. I fly because I love it and I would think most of you would do the same. Its a shame that everyone wants to retire for a years work! If you dont like it then I hear Home Depot needs help in the plumbing dept. Lifes short, enjoy what you have and what you do because it could end tomorrow in a blink. I left my job at age 34 to pursue my aviation career and took a huge pay cut and it was worth it because I get to fly. Its just sad to see so much anger towards the industry.
I myself am young, with very little relying on my income. I have no mortgage, wife, kids, or responsibilities, and even I am wondering how I am going to afford rent, gas, insurance (car and personal), car payment, student loan repayment, entertainment, cell phone, reasonable food that wont have my dying of a sodium overdose in 2 years (yeah, raman is not good for you). Ya really need to look at the perspective...some people are trying to do exactly what your doing...they want to pursue their passion of aviation, and so when they get frustrated because of the amount of stress they will have related to financial situations...show some sympathy! I'm a pretty firm believer that we all love to fly. Nobody on here is complaining about having to go flying...what they're complaining about is the money. Since you have a sugar momma MD to back you up, it kinda is unfair to spout out about how everyone needs to just suck it up. |
First of all I put my wife through med school while I worked my ass off running my own construction business. We had a baby and we ate our share of hot dogs and pb & j's for a long time. Thats why I had to wait to puruse my dream. It's been no cake walk here. Now that she has the chance to let me pursue my dream I am taking it. I have been there is what I am saying and I sucked it up. I worked many freezing winters outside just making enough to pay our rent and feed our selves. Dont tell me about all that other crap, suck it up.
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She's not a suagr momma, she studdied just like you buddy. Did her residency for 13.00hr. Sound familiar. Youth wants to make 100k right away? Thats pretty funny. Pay your dues, then *****.
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Originally Posted by shamrok
(Post 137652)
First of all I put my wife through med school while I worked my ass off running my own construction business. We had a baby and we ate our share of hot dogs and pb & j's for a long time. Thats why I had to wait to puruse my dream. It's been no cake walk here. Now that she has the chance to let me pursue my dream I am taking it. I have been there is what I am saying and I sucked it up. I worked many freezing winters outside just making enough to pay our rent and feed our selves. Dont tell me about all that other crap, suck it up.
What I don't agree with is you telling everyone to suck it up, when you do not know their past, or their story. Little remarks like working at home depot.... Maybe everyone is upset because theres people out there telling them to "suck it up", and just be happy they get to fly! Rather than to go out there and try to make the industry better. Who knows. |
Originally Posted by shamrok
(Post 137655)
She's not a suagr momma, she studdied just like you buddy. Did her residency for 13.00hr. Sound familiar. Youth wants to make 100k right away? Thats pretty funny. Pay your dues, then *****.
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I understand its tough and I dont want to sound like an ass, I really hope anyone that has the dream can and will make it happen. Where there is a will, there is a way. If I were to **** anyone off, for that I am sorry. I just read so many posts that are negative that it makes me wonder why some people are doing this for a living. I did all of my training near Boston and the cost of living here is rediculous, so I know that it aint easy making ends meet on low pay. I believe I was directing my comments to the ones that ***** continuously about the pay. Again, sorry if my point came across to abrasive.
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Originally Posted by shamrok
(Post 137666)
I understand its tough and I dont want to sound like an ass, I really hope anyone that has the dream can and will make it happen. Where there is a will, there is a way. If I were to **** anyone off, for that I am sorry. I just read so many posts that are negative that it makes me wonder why some people are doing this for a living. I did all of my training near Boston and the cost of living here is rediculous, so I know that it aint easy making ends meet on low pay. I believe I was directing my comments to the ones that ***** continuously about the pay. Again, sorry if my point came across to abrasive.
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Real Estate
Originally Posted by mike734
(Post 137383)
Come on Sky. We don't know who you are. How much do you make these days? I'd be interested to know if you can make 200k in your line of work. If you don't, why not? What would you need to make that much. The guys I have seen do contracting around my house must be making well over 100k based on how much they want for one days work. I had a tree guy come over and want $1400 to fell one tree! I passed but he was busy! Who pays that?
What I mean by "200K Hail Mary" is that by the time one reaches a point where they could apply to a major they would have spent 200K on college, flight training, lost wages and added professional upgrades like a 737 type and interview prep. All that to get a slim chance at a major. As far as my income goes I actually am embarrassed to say for fear of sounding arrogant. I can say that I have gone from living on unemployment in a two bedroom apartment four years ago with my wife and two kids to what most would consider a captains house on fairly significant acreage. I have Alaska Airlines FO's calling me to help them figure out how they can build homes as well. Whenever I ask them for help at Alaska they just laugh and think I am kidding. (they also probably know that I am a long ways from competitive these days) On my last venture I made more than a captains annual wage in only a few months. The ironic thing is that had I been steadily working these last four years as a pilot I doubt I would of had the courage to attempt the things I have over the last few years. I had my back to the wall and have no other choice than to take some huge risks and so far they have paid off. Skyhigh |
My friend owns his own tree company and charges $1500.00 to drop a tree and grind the stump. Thats the going rate. I dont see why thats to high, look at the risk. What if he dropped it on your house. Besides he has to climb the tree with a chain saw and strip the limbs, then he has to drop it precisely in a safe area, like an approach. Then the ground crew saws the tree into a thousand pieces and chips the brush with a chipper wich is worth about 100k. Not to mention his bucket truck, and employees he has to pay and insurance premiums and fianlly paying his taxes. I would say $1400 is a fair price.
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I used to have my own small building company so I know the costs of doing business. I cant tell you how many times I have seen a persons jaw drop when they get an estimate or final bill. But you have to see the big picture. Materials, labor, insurance, tools and risk? If you want a good job done then be prepared to pay. There are to amny ham 'N' eggers out there working out of a station wagon.
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Originally Posted by mike734
(Post 137383)
Come on Sky. We don't know who you are. How much do you make these days? I'd be interested to know if you can make 200k in your line of work. If you don't, why not? What would you need to make that much. The guys I have seen do contracting around my house must be making well over 100k based on how much they want for one days work. I had a tree guy come over and want $1400 to fell one tree! I passed but he was busy! Who pays that?
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 137683)
On my last venture I made more than a captains annual wage in only a few months.
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Originally Posted by mike734
(Post 137698)
Good enough. Sounds like you make over 200k/yr. Do you live like a king? I doubt it. You probably sock away as much as you can in anticipation of retirement. I guess you agree that 200k is a livable wage that is achievable by someone on the ball. I started my thread by answering the question about how much I think is decent.
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Originally Posted by mike734
(Post 136648)
Less than 200K blows.
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Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
(Post 137711)
just pulled the tapes and you were quoted as saying anything less than 200k blows
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Originally Posted by surfnfly
(Post 137736)
You know what di*K heads excuse my quick take..I'm half way through my second year of first year FO pay thanks in part to leavin my first real 121 flying job for greener pastures. I've been surviving and having fun while doing it. It builds character. I'm sick and tired of you numb nuts coming on here and bashing a career you noo longer are a part of. I've spent my summers and many years of side work hammering nails, lugging insulation up and down industrial construction zones, doing demo work on remodel projects, digging ditches, doing tile, doing molding, washing cars, washing dishes, working for "daddy", cold calling sales, delivering pizzas, making pizzas, serving drinks to rich pricks at the four seasons, throwin luggage, dumping lavs on airplanes, cleaning airplanes, coaching kids sports, ferrying total of peice of Sh*T airplanes across the country; crashing one of those peice of Sh*t airplanes,and yes even flying for Mesa! All while goin to college for this supposed dead end miserable career; and you Know what? Nothing beats this job. Sorry I prefer saving my back to pick up my kids and grandkids one day. I come from a long line of blue collar - iron workers, contractors, home framers, miners, fisherman, farmers, truckers, and cement workers. All retired at the top of their game making good money (working 7 days a week of course) - but the one difference between us is I'll have my health when I retire. That's worth the hard work, money spent, and "time" invested to fly an airplane for 20$ an hour for a couple years. I have half month off next month - what will I do? use some of those skills I've picked up along the way to make some extra cash? or maybe I'll head to Cabo to fish for a few days -I don't know yet but at least I have half the month off to do as I please - enjoy that construction zone Skyhigh; if thats what brings your pleasure so be it. You dont see me on contractors forums bashing the proffession or complaining about the next recession in the horizon to bite my paycheck in the ass - And when I spend the other half at work....I'm OK with that...Because I LOVE to fly. And if you want to come on here and bi*h -so be it, your nothing but a bi*ch and you don't belong in aviation .....because there is nothing worse than spending four days with a whiny complaining SACK - and that's all you are. Out.
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Originally Posted by surfnfly
(Post 137736)
You know what di*K heads excuse my quick take..I'm half way through my second year of first year FO pay thanks in part to leavin my first real 121 flying job for greener pastures. I've been surviving and having fun while doing it. It builds character. I'm sick and tired of you numb nuts coming on here and bashing a career you noo longer are a part of. I've spent my summers and many years of side work hammering nails, lugging insulation up and down industrial construction zones, doing demo work on remodel projects, digging ditches, doing tile, doing molding, washing cars, washing dishes, working for "daddy", cold calling sales, delivering pizzas, making pizzas, serving drinks to rich pricks at the four seasons, throwin luggage, dumping lavs on airplanes, cleaning airplanes, coaching kids sports, ferrying total of peice of Sh*T airplanes across the country; crashing one of those peice of Sh*t airplanes,and yes even flying for Mesa! All while goin to college for this supposed dead end miserable career; and you Know what? Nothing beats this job. Sorry I prefer saving my back to pick up my kids and grandkids one day. I come from a long line of blue collar - iron workers, contractors, home framers, miners, fisherman, farmers, truckers, and cement workers. All retired at the top of their game making good money (working 7 days a week of course) - but the one difference between us is I'll have my health when I retire. That's worth the hard work, money spent, and "time" invested to fly an airplane for 20$ an hour for a couple years. I have half month off next month - what will I do? use some of those skills I've picked up along the way to make some extra cash? or maybe I'll head to Cabo to fish for a few days -I don't know yet but at least I have half the month off to do as I please - enjoy that construction zone Skyhigh; if thats what brings your pleasure so be it. You dont see me on contractors forums bashing the proffession or complaining about the next recession in the horizon to bite my paycheck in the ass - And when I spend the other half at work....I'm OK with that...Because I LOVE to fly. And if you want to come on here and bi*h -so be it, your nothing but a bi*ch and you don't belong in aviation .....because there is nothing worse than spending four days with a whiny complaining SACK - and that's all you are. Out.
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Originally Posted by mike734
(Post 137762)
Spoken like a true twenty something. You know what you'll be doing on those days off in 15 years? Going to Boy scout meetings, Mowing the lawn, Honey do's, and any number of other things adults with responsibilities do. You sound like a true blue collar type who will be very satisfied with the mediocre pay and lifestyle available to todays pilot. I come from the old school. I (and Skyhigh) expected more. We are disappointed. The difference? Skyhigh was smart enough to cut his loss and get on with his life. I am hoping for the best. You? I don't know. You sound like JO's perfect pilot. You even have a crash on your record basically ensuring you will stay a lower pay regional pilot your whole career. But hey, it beats making pizza right?
If you and skyhigh expected more and are sooo disappointed, what the hell are you doing here? Get outta here, pal! You and skyhigh should go to the contractors forum or entrepeneurs (i think I spelled that right) forum. Surfnfly, I give you a smackin' high five for that post!! By the way, that's what life is all about to me: surfing and flying! It sounds to me like skyhigh and his buddy need to go to another forum and talk about ways to make lots of money. Here, I prefer to talk about having lots of fun doing what most of us here are happy doing. But if you have 8 kids and a 10,000 square foot house with a collection of cars and a cirrus parked out front, I guess being a pilot would be a financial drag. So you can't buy more "things" if you're a pilot these days....GET OVER IT! At least your flying and it beats sitting in a cubicle for 8 hours. Would you rather die with more money or knowing that you lived a great life, doing what you loved. Make the best of it and remember, your flying airplanes!! That's fun, right?!? |
Originally Posted by surfnfly
(Post 137766)
Hey listen di*khead the crash on my record has done nothing but gotten me raves, pats on the back, job well done from the feds and a job with one of the best regional carriers out there. Lick the dark side of my sack and come at me once you've walked away from engine out at night.
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I dont know how the heck this thread got off on such a tangent, but man the emotions are flying. Everyone needs to pop a midol and go to bed.
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Urban Life Style
Originally Posted by mike734
(Post 137698)
Good enough. Sounds like you make over 200k/yr. Do you live like a king? I doubt it. You probably sock away as much as you can in anticipation of retirement. I guess you agree that 200k is a livable wage that is achievable by someone on the ball. I started my thread by answering the question about how much I think is decent.
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 137683)
I have Alaska Airlines FO's calling me to help them figure out how they can build homes as well.
Can you help me figure out how I can build homes as well? :D |
Home builder
Originally Posted by 87iroc&amullet
(Post 137809)
soooooooooooooooo.....
Can you help me figure out how I can build homes as well? :D SkyHigh |
Surfnfly banned for violation of the forum TOS.
I encourage users to disagree all they want, just keep the dialog civil. Personal attacks and grade school name-calling has no place here. |
I have liked his posts in the past, but he was way out of line here tonight.
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 137802)
In an urban setting it takes at least 150K to fully fund a middle class lifestyle for a family of four. The median home price in the Seattle area is now 440K. I think that everyone needs to aim high to survive.
SkyHigh LOL! 440K?? Are you kidding me? That's cheap! (not that I can afford even 100K). Try Irvine, Ca where the median cost is around 600-700K. If you average newport coast and UCI area, its probably a million. Enjoy the 440K while it lasts. |
Originally Posted by АЕРОФЛОТ 214
(Post 136638)
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Since I've never made 150k a year in my life and live in the 5th largest city in the US and support a family of 6 (7 including the grand-daughter who's currently living with us), I think that, ONCE AGAIN, Skyhigh has fudged the numbers. I dont' need to publish the whole budget but...
I live in a 3900 sq ft house. Put one son through flying school Pay for the other son's VERY expensive Travel Sport Team We have three cars in the garage, two of them bought new (Lexus and Chrysler) My wife doesn't work Not bragging, just trying to establish the fact that we're not scraping by. Not rich, but better off than a lot of people I know. I wonder how I do it on the "pittance" that I make? The bottom line is you can get by on WAY less than 150k. Skyhigh...please get your math right. I've called you on this before and you still make these numbers up. |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 137810)
I have come to realise that if someone has the focus and intelligence to make it through college, flight training and into the regionals then they probably could do much more with their lives than 18K and a shaky future.
SkyHigh PS. You want to talk about home prices, try where I live in Central Jersey good luck finding a house for 440k, my girlfriend just bought a single bedroom apartment in Hoboken for close to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
You people need to move to Charlotte...Good housing out there in area 5...
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Housing costs
My point is that it costs a lot of money to reach middle class these days. One needs to take a holistic approach to studying pilot compensation. Employer paid retirements are gone. Wages are down while work rules are worse. If someone really is bent upon throwing their lives away then my hat is off to them. However if you harbor dreams of a wife, home, kids and white picket fence then perhaps you had better look elsewhere than an aviation career.
We can not look to the prior generation as an example of the future. Those days are gone forever. One needs to peer ahead 30 years with expectations of furloughs, moves, layoffs and further pay cuts. Pilots love to pull the wool over their own eyes and intentionally fail to recognise the truths that are blatant. As previously mentioned the median home price in Seattle is 440K. Regular people with common jobs are able to pay those prices. 52K and the left seat at a regional will not cut it. SkyHigh |
Help
Originally Posted by blastboy
(Post 137832)
LOL! 440K?? Are you kidding me? That's cheap! (not that I can afford even 100K). Try Irvine, Ca where the median cost is around 600-700K. If you average newport coast and UCI area, its probably a million. Enjoy the 440K while it lasts.
I have a friend who lives in Irvine and pays 1450 per month for a two bedroom apartment. SkyHigh |
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