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Whats the worst near miss you have ever had in an aircraft?
I remember when I was flying a Seminole VFR remaining well clear of clouds and then out of nowhere a Piper Malibu (couldn't tell if it was a Mirage or a Meridian) blasts right past us to the right about 200 feet away. Then he vanished into the coulds behind us. Very eye opening experience!
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Originally Posted by Fly IFR
(Post 138005)
I remember when I was flying a Seminole VFR remaining well clear of clouds and then out of nowhere a Piper Malibu (couldn't tell if it was a Mirage or a Meridian) blasts right past us to the right about 200 feet away. Then he vanished into the coulds behind us. Very eye opening experience!
Up near traverse city mi, i was on a cross country with a student on an ifr flight plan, we were on with Minn Center and we never received word of any traffic, all of a sudden we pop out of a cloud and there is a C182 about 50 feet below us and very close. I could see that there was 3 people in the plane, two men and one woman. They never saw us. Scared the crap out of me. |
Was told by tower controllers to maintain 6500 until 5 mile final contollers then told some 90 year old weekend warrior to follow me. after passing 5 mile final i decided for some reason not to descend right away. At about 4 miles I started a slow descent. At which time the controllers started freaking out on the old man to slow down cause he is overtaking me and is not about .5 miles behind me. The old man said ok and that he was still looking for me. At this time contollers asked me if I can see him behind me and of course I can't. I am still descending and the controllers then tell the old man to do a 360 for spacing and he says he will. At this time I just happen to look out the window and down and about 50 feet underneath me is the plane so I imediately started a climbing right turn and infrom tower. Then the contollers freak out on him about not doing the 360 and when he gets on the ground......... he got the number. So even when you are in the hands of contollers shyt can happen!
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Part 91 (CDW) Tower is the worst, thats CALDWELL, NJ. Many close encounters with weekend warriors.
Part121 descending into ABE in the SAAB with Colgan, came within 200ft or so with a Glider, put the F/A through the ceiling practically haha |
Flying into Harris Ranch in Coalinga, CA with some friends for a steak dinner. Small uncontrolled strip next to I-5 about halfway between Los Angeles and San Francisco. On short final, had a NORDO Piper Cub cut off our Bonanza and prompted us to go around. As soon as we landed, the Cub driver chased me down and proceed to yell at me for flying the wrong traffic pattern. Having flown into this strip a million times before, I knew we were on the right side of the traffic pattern- so I pulled out good 'ole Mr. A/FD. Boy, did he get ****y after that!
We were a good 100' from twisting aluminum with him on approach. |
I was flying a traffic watch C-152 along the freeway one day when a Piper Archer flew right over me going the same direction. He was just to the right of the freeway, just like me, but going about 20 Kts faster. He missed me by about 30 feet.:eek: It was weird though because it was like it happen in slow motion as he was only going slightly faster. First I heard the engine, then I nearly jumped out of my seat when he appeared just over head. Scary
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I almost sliced and diced some guy with my rotor blades at 5000 feet. He wasn't wearing a plane. He was skydiving and hadn't pulled the chord yet. I don't know if he saw me but if he did, he DEFINITELY(100%) crapped his pants.
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Originally Posted by CL65driver
(Post 138054)
Flying into Harris Ranch in Coalinga, CA with some friends for a steak dinner.
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I have never been within 500' or 3 miles of another aircraft. ;)
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I would have to agree that the weekend warriors are by far the worst to be around. Almost been killed by them more than once so far!
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during my private training near SDF my instructor and i were doing stalls & slow flight in a 150. looked up and saw a Kingair barreling towards us only about 300ft or so away.
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So far the worst place for me, as far as weekend warriors go is up near Petaluma CA. I swear I got scared to death everyday I was flying up there. I was on flight following and everything, and RARELY received a traffic call.
And as diligently as I was scanning, sometimes ya really can't see them until their close. I hope to never fly up there again =) |
I was working on my multi-commercial and doing pattern work in a Seneca I. This was at a very busy, uncontrolled field on a Saturday afternoon. There were several other aircraft in the pattern, with a few trying to enter. As a result, the radio was full of chatter. We were on the departure leg, when we heard a 172 announce that he was on the 45 to enter. I announced cross wind and started to look for him. Neither myself or my MEI saw him until he rolled wings level just above us and within a hundred feet or so to the right. It turns out that his entry leg was nearly straight in to the pattern and we were looking in the wrong place. The CFI in the 172 was one of the most experienced guys on the field and we talked about how/why it happened later on.
The experience definitely changed my attitudes about keeping a look out for traffic. |
Originally Posted by mike734
(Post 138057)
I was flying a traffic watch C-152 along the freeway one day when a Piper Archer flew right over me going the same direction. He was just to the right of the freeway, just like me, but going about 20 Kts faster. He missed me by about 30 feet.:eek: It was weird though because it was like it happen in slow motion as he was only going slightly faster. First I heard the engine, then I nearly jumped out of my seat when he appeared just over head. Scary
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Was inbound to Hobby, LJ31. Cleared down to 3K. Out of 4, TCAS indicated a guy at 3K and closing. I leveled at 3.5 while FO was confirming w/center. Center had no one on their scope and re-cleared us to 3, but I told them neg., till we got a tally and/or the TCAS target was clear. Sure enough, popped out of a cloud and saw the 3K traffic, an Apache. Would have smoked both of us that day, had the metal detector not saved our cans. After passing, and as we were switching to twr, approach told us he finally came up on their scope.
Uhhh, yeahhh.... |
I had to use the bathroom really bad one time...almost didn't make it.
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 138133)
I had to use the bathroom really bad one time...almost didn't make it.
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Skywest EMB-120 over the busy Bay Area.
Flying a PIC Cross Country flight from Monterey to San Carlos. I was on with Norcal for flight following. However, because of the somewhat low overcast, I decided to take the valley route to my airport (over San Jose, Palo Alto (busy GA airport), Moffet Field (former military base), and within 7 miles of SFO). Moffet Tower is a federal airfield, and thus there is hardly any traffic, and the controllers rarely get trafffic. All of a sudden I get see this airplane infront of me not moving. Having just flown a full motion airline simulator at the United Training Center, I remembered when the simulator worker put an airliner on a head on collision with my simulated 747, and I remembered how I didn't see any movement. So I dove a couple of hundred feet, when suddenly the Barasilia whizzed over my head going the opposite direction. Right as I started to descend, with the Brasilia maybe 2,000ft from me straight ahead(closing at 300+ kts), the Moffet controller says: "Cessna 48D, suggest a slight left turn for traffic." He didn't finish his sentence before the Brasilia screemed over my head. Look for traffic, even if you are talking to ATC! |
Originally Posted by SikPilot
(Post 138067)
I almost sliced and diced some guy with my rotor blades at 5000 feet. He wasn't wearing a plane. He was skydiving and hadn't pulled the chord yet. I don't know if he saw me but if he did, he DEFINITELY(100%) crapped his pants.
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
(Post 138031)
Part 91 (CDW) Tower is the worst, thats CALDWELL, NJ. Many close encounters with weekend warriors.
Part121 descending into ABE in the SAAB with Colgan, came within 200ft or so with a Glider, put the F/A through the ceiling practically haha |
Only two times really come to mind for me. During IFR trainign (In VMC) ATC told us we had traffic 1 o'clock, i'm under the hood, and my instructor seems to be "dilly dalling" so he didn't look up.Little later, ATC says, traffic is a half mile, and they'd highly recommend a change in altitude, at that point i looked over, saw him, and pushed the stick forward, then watched the red white and blue v-tail bonanza go right over. about that time, my instructor said , "hmmm, i think that would have been a collision."
And when i was instructing a future flight instructor, we were @ 6,000 doing some maneuvers, and he was having a hard time keeping his altitude. Because he was being an instructor, i decided not to correct him, and let him make the mistake and tell me what was happening, etc. Well, we ended up about 100 ft low, and then we noticed a twin go overhead, kinda freaked both of us out. I told him to climb back to six, and when we did, the other aircraft was level with us, kinda freaky to think all i would have had to do was say "get your altitude fixed" and boom, we mighta been tumbling towards the earth in a bent piece of tin. |
I was flying LA special flight rules from SNA to BUR one day at 4500' in the cessna with a buddy and a V-tail bonanza overtook us about 100-200 ft high and to the right about 1 oclock. No warning, no nothing. He wasn't even on the LA special flight rules frequency giving position reports. Weekend warrior I assume.
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To get out of class b airspace we would take our students down to the PVU airport... let me tell you something right now,, if you never flew there when it was uncontrolled, THEN YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT A NEAR MISS IS!!!!
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1. Flying at night with night vision goggles once in another country. Crossed a ridge line and came face to face with a B-52 flying low level in the other direction.
2. Taking off from PFN early in the morning before tower opened with 66 PAX. I think it was 1/4 mile. Called for and got clearance from JAX center; then took the active after announcing intention to depart to the north. Just as we're about to push the power forward, we hear "Aircraft departing northbound at PFN, this is Lear 1234, on the take off roll to the south, shouldn't be a factor." FO and I look at each other with the "Did we really just hear that?" Just then the Lear goes right over us in the other direction. A minute later while I'm cleaning out my drawers, he checks in with center looking for his IFR clearance. 3. 11,000, IMC. Center tells me I have VFR traffic, 12 o'clock, 10,500, closing. "Huh?" Just then I get "CLIMB, CLIMB, CLIMB" from TCAS. Not sure how close I got (again, I was IMC), but sure got my attention. |
My closest was leaving TYS. We were cleared to take off from 23L. (I think that is the correct rwy number) As were were about to go into position, tower came on very frantically yelling at as to hold our position. Of course I slammed on my brakes just as a light twin went screaming past our nose and landed on that runway. :eek: Tower apologized and informed us that neither him nor approach was talking to that guy. We even looked at final and didn't see anything because he was coming in on a dogleg final from behind us. Luckily the tower was on top of things or we would have been another statistic.:(
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Flying with my students under the Laughlin MOA sometimes the T-38's cut under it on their way in. I'm guessing he saw me but I didn't see him till he was well within 100ft of me going opposite direction kicking on the afterburners and shooting back up to over 10K. The first time is scared me like no other. The times after that it became an issue of spotting them, they have such a small profile when in a dive, then grabbing the camera.
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I might be splitting hairs here...but wouldn't a near-miss be an accident? Sounds to me like you're all describing near mid-airs.
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a near miss is not an accident, by definition. It is an incident.
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Not really a near miss but one time North bound over the Gorman pass in my EMB-110 at 9000, I was given traffic as, "Traffic your eight o'clock, a cruise missile heading for Edwards. Never saw it though.
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Ok nearly missing something would be hitting something...
A near mid-air is not an accident... read what you wrote again there rat. |
Had a few head on gun attacks in stateside exercises that got too sporty for everyone...but by the time you realize how ****ty things are getting, it's usually over.
Worst one? The one that wasn't a near-miss. |
During my private pilot training in Ithaca, NY (KITH) i was up with my flight instructor one late afternoon just as the sun was setting behind a high cirrus deck, we were flying southwestbound and the sun was at our 2 to 3 o'clock. my instructor pullred the power out on me and i started going through my engine failure checklist. Just then I heard what I first correctly assumed was the sound of a piston engine. I quickly told myself that it was impossible to hear another airplane's engine other than my ownduring flight. Well, I looked off my left wing and saw a Mooney zooming away from us. We didn't see him since he was flying right out of the sun, but he saw us. It must have scared the sh*t out of him because he forgot to lower his landing gear on final and had to make a go around and then landed way right of centerline on a 150ft wide runway.
I only had about 40 hours total time and it kept me on the ground for a few weeks while i contemplated ever flying again, but I'm back up now working on my instrument rating as part of a college degree. After the incident I decided to keep my eyes outside the cockpit more and if I have my own airplane someday, it's gonna have TCAS onboard. What really ****ed me off though, was when the guy who nearly ran me over left, he pulled an unnecessarily tight bank less than 50ft off the ground and flew several hundred feet right over the airline terminal and control tower. |
I love the weekend warriors who think that an uncontrolled airport has an active runway and they (the weekend pilot) are controlling the other traffic.
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Originally Posted by TankerBob
(Post 139098)
Ok nearly missing something would be hitting something...
A near mid-air is not an accident... read what you wrote again there rat. And I didnt say anywhere that a near mid-air is an accident...I said it was an incident. I must just not be understanding a near mid-air compared to a near-miss? Not sure |
Originally Posted by TankerBob
(Post 139098)
Ok nearly missing something would be hitting something...
A near mid-air is not an accident... read what you wrote again there rat. P.S. for extra credit go to section 7-6-3 of the aim and read that. I expect a 2 page report on accidents vs incidents relating to NMAC tomorrow by 3pm THANKS! |
Originally Posted by sflpilot
(Post 139237)
I love the weekend warriors who think that an uncontrolled airport has an active runway and they (the weekend pilot) are controlling the other traffic.
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Closest I ever came to a mid-air was probably a couple hundred feet. I was up with a CFII student in a 172, in the practice area north of Daytona.
Student was under the hood just practicing a little BAI at 4,700 feet. I picked up some motion in the very upper left corner of the windscreen, and saw a Seminole pop out from behind the air vent. They were slightly above us moving left to right and descending on a collision course, and were close enough I could tell that the right engine was feathered and the student was under the hood in the Seminole.:eek: |
Originally Posted by CL65driver
(Post 139431)
Lotsa those around when I was still flying GA- especially in my neck of the woods. What's even better are the Air China and JAL pilot trainees we have in the Bay Area. Holy cow- listening to these guys on the radio will give you an ulcer! :D
I can't believe those controllers can understand them. |
I am not arguing that a NEAR MID AIR is not an incident. What you wrote is a NEAR MISS this different verbiage then NEAR MID AIR See what I am saying.
Can you produce me any written proof where the FAA or the NTSB uses the term NEAR MISS??? hmmm mysteriously I can't seem to find that. So lets recap.... A NEAR MID AIR COLLISION is considered an incident. A NEAR MISS would be a hit, because you either miss something or you hit something. When you score some a$$, you don't say "man I nearly hit that." no you say "thats right I hit that." Do you see where I am going? No need to be a smart@ss there man, you really should read and interpret what someone writes before hitting the send button. All I am trying to say is, that you must know what is written, lawyers wrote the FARs, and they write very specifically. 7-6-3. Near Midair Collision Reporting a. Purpose and Data Uses. The primary purpose of the Near Midair Collision (NMAC) Reporting Program is to provide information for use in enhancing the safety and efficiency of the National Airspace System. Data obtained from NMAC reports are used by the FAA to improve the quality of FAA services to users and to develop programs, policies, and procedures aimed at the reduction of NMAC occurrences. All NMAC reports are thoroughly investigated by Flight Standards Facilities in coordination with Air Traffic Facilities. Data from these investigations are transmitted to FAA Headquarters in Washington, DC, where they are compiled and analyzed, and where safety programs and recommendations are developed. b. Definition. A near midair collision is defined as an incident associated with the operation of an aircraft in which a possibility of collision occurs as a result of proximity of less than 500 feet to another aircraft, or a report is received from a pilot or a flight crew member stating that a collision hazard existed between two or more aircraft. c. Reporting Responsibility. It is the responsibility of the pilot and/or flight crew to determine whether a near midair collision did actually occur and, if so, to initiate a NMAC report. Be specific, as ATC will not interpret a casual remark to mean that a NMAC is being reported. The pilot should state "I wish to report a near midair collision." d. Where to File Reports. Pilots and/or flight crew members |
Originally Posted by TankerBob
(Post 139571)
I am not arguing that a NEAR MID AIR is not an incident. What you wrote is a NEAR MISS this different verbiage then NEAR MID AIR See what I am saying.
Can you produce me any written proof where the FAA or the NTSB uses the term NEAR MISS??? hmmm mysteriously I can't seem to find that. So lets recap.... A NEAR MID AIR COLLISION is considered an incident. A NEAR MISS would be a hit, because you either miss something or you hit something. When you score some a$$, you don't say "man I nearly hit that." no you say "thats right I hit that." Do you see where I am going? No need to be a smart@ss there man, you really should read and interpret what someone writes before hitting the send button. All I am trying to say is, that you must know what is written, lawyers wrote the FARs, and they write very specifically. Thanks for playing If 7-11 is open 24 hours, why do they have locks on the doors. why does a light switch have off written on it. why do drive up atm machines have braille on them? come on man, watching you guys argue about this is like watching a senfield episode. its all about nothing. |
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