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Crj 1000
Any guess on who has the 15 undisclosed orders. I think if it was Mesa they would have started using that to sucker people in. If it was Skywest they would have probably said so already. I think the undisclosed buyer is Horizon. US launch customer for CRJ700 and Q400. They have been looking at getting 90 to 100 seat aircraft and already tested the EMB190's but it would be stupid to get a different type when they could just get the 1000 and use a comon type like they do for the Q200 and Q400.. That's what I think is gonna go down. Any thoughts
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Out of curiosity
Originally Posted by bintynogin
(Post 138738)
Any guess on who has the 15 undisclosed orders. I think if it was Mesa they would have started using that to sucker people in. If it was Skywest they would have probably said so already. I think the undisclosed buyer is Horizon. US launch customer for CRJ700 and Q400. They have been looking at getting 90 to 100 seat aircraft and already tested the EMB190's but it would be stupid to get a different type when they could just get the 1000 and use a comon type like they do for the Q200 and Q400.. That's what I think is gonna go down. Any thoughts
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does it necessarily have to be a us carrier?
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Does it have to be a regional? Why not a major? After all, US Airways and JB are operating EMB-190's.
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I think it is a US carrier... Foreign carriers are not a secretive as US regional carriers..
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whats the advantage of it being top secret anyways? its not like this is a huge military operation
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I actually believe it is northwest. They have already stated they are retiring the dc-9's and have been in talks with bombardier for larger regional jets. just my guess but i think they are the only major that has said they want to buy larger regional jets.
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 138824)
I actually believe it is northwest. They have already stated they are retiring the dc-9's and have been in talks with bombardier for larger regional jets. just my guess but i think they are the only major that has said they want to buy larger regional jets.
ERJs goe to NWA CRJ100s go to Mesaba That should start some conversation. |
I think it is American Eagle. They are the only ones not in the big RJ market.
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
(Post 138848)
"Compass" fades into sunset.
ERJs goe to NWA CRJ100s go to Mesaba That should start some conversation. |
Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
(Post 138848)
"Compass" fades into sunset.
ERJs goe to NWA CRJ100s go to Mesaba That should start some conversation. |
Originally Posted by bintynogin
(Post 138738)
Any guess on who has the 15 undisclosed orders. I think if it was Mesa they would have started using that to sucker people in. If it was Skywest they would have probably said so already. I think the undisclosed buyer is Horizon. US launch customer for CRJ700 and Q400. They have been looking at getting 90 to 100 seat aircraft and already tested the EMB190's but it would be stupid to get a different type when they could just get the 1000 and use a comon type like they do for the Q200 and Q400.. That's what I think is gonna go down. Any thoughts
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 138824)
I actually believe it is northwest. They have already stated they are retiring the dc-9's and have been in talks with bombardier for larger regional jets. just my guess but i think they are the only major that has said they want to buy larger regional jets.
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Just a rumor with no facts to back it up... I heard from a gate agent in ATL that Delta mainline was going to operate 900s or 1000's. Then again, this is all just speculation.
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Brit Air (France) 8 orders 8 options.
My Way Airlines (Italy) 15 orders. This started as an order for 19 900's. |
Originally Posted by taylorjets
(Post 139074)
Just a rumor with no facts to back it up... I heard from a gate agent in ATL that Delta mainline was going to operate 900s or 1000's. Then again, this is all just speculation.
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 138786)
Does it have to be a regional? Why not a major? After all, US Airways and JB are operating EMB-190's.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 139146)
If they have more than 76 seats, DAL scope would REQUIRE that.
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
(Post 138824)
I actually believe it is northwest. They have already stated they are retiring the dc-9's and have been in talks with bombardier for larger regional jets. just my guess but i think they are the only major that has said they want to buy larger regional jets.
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Originally Posted by Linebacker35
(Post 139073)
I would think if Northwest were to get 100 passenger planes that they would go with the A318.... A perfect choice to replace the 9's
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Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
(Post 139200)
the replacement for the nines will be on regional property.....and if you think otherwise, you are an idealist and not a realist.
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Originally Posted by Linebacker35
(Post 139268)
The 9's make up 1/3 of NW's fleet. I doubt they would give up that much of their flying. the A318 would be a perfect fit into their fleet and I wouldnt be surprised to see them ordering a bunch from Airbus soon. I do agree that some of the old DC9 flying will go to the regionals, but not all of it.
Airbus is in trouble. May become more Russian then French. Deliveries ? Half of NWA 9s replaced by ERJs flown by NWA Mainline Crews (Compass disappears) on longer routes. Half of NWA 9s replaced by Mesaba flown CRJ1000s and 900s on shorter routes. Comments on guess ??????? |
Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
(Post 139332)
SWAG:
Airbus is in trouble. May become more Russian then French. Deliveries ? Airbus has proven they are in control of that sized market, and guess what there are a bunch of US fleet renewals comming up for that size range! American: 327 MD80s, United: 94 737-300/500's....... UA will almost surely renew with 320's NWA: 115 DC9's.... could be 115 A318 to complement their existing 320 fleet US air: 96 737-300/400.... US air seems to also be favoring airbus Delta and continental will definetly not go with airbuses, they stick to boeing. That is a possible another 630 A320 family orders in the next few years!!!!!! It would be more if the said airlines replace their 757's with A321's... tho i dont see this happening, the 757's are amazing planes still. |
Originally Posted by Linebacker35
(Post 139372)
Ya Airbus is in trouble..... they only got 1000+ orders to ship out right now for the 320 family :rolleyes:
Airbus has proven they are in control of that sized market, and guess what there are a bunch of US fleet renewals comming up for that size range! American: 327 MD80s, United: 94 737-300/500's....... UA will almost surely renew with 320's NWA: 115 DC9's.... could be 115 A318 to complement their existing 320 fleet US air: 96 737-300/400.... US air seems to also be favoring airbus Delta and continental will definetly not go with airbuses, they stick to boeing. That is a possible another 630 A320 family orders in the next few years!!!!!! It would be more if the said airlines replace their 757's with A321's... tho i dont see this happening, the 757's are amazing planes still. |
Originally Posted by Linebacker35
(Post 139372)
Ya Airbus is in trouble..... they only got 1000+ orders to ship out right now for the 320 family :rolleyes:
Airbus has proven they are in control of that sized market, and guess what there are a bunch of US fleet renewals comming up for that size range! American: 327 MD80s, United: 94 737-300/500's....... UA will almost surely renew with 320's NWA: 115 DC9's.... could be 115 A318 to complement their existing 320 fleet US air: 96 737-300/400.... US air seems to also be favoring airbus Delta and continental will definetly not go with airbuses, they stick to boeing. That is a possible another 630 A320 family orders in the next few years!!!!!! It would be more if the said airlines replace their 757's with A321's... tho i dont see this happening, the 757's are amazing planes still. NWA probably won't buy the 318, they will use the EMB175 and 190. In fact, they've already bought 36 175's. US Airways favors airbus because airbus provided a good portion of their exit financing and lease renegotiating. US Airways was "contractually obligated" to order the A350 until it's recent problems allowed them getting out of that contract. UAL just picks whatever aircraft they can get when the mood strikes them (in other words they do a horrible job at fleet planning). The A380 project will be Airbus's downfall IMO. |
Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
(Post 139389)
Yes they have those orders but also have the most screwed up FRENCH EGO / multi national management / cross purpose political / demanding unions / European individual work ethic / etc. interaction of almost any international company. It seems like many company order airplanes from them but always have a "back up" strategy" because any two of these factors could interact and explode. Now insert the Russians with buying power and companies like Daimler backing out. I guess they will never go bankrupt - too much national pride at stake. But delivery schedules ?????
Try working in PHL someday and tell me about the Great American Work Ethic or the negative power of labor unions. I worked in Europe for almost 15 years, most of it in aviation. It is not as screwed up there as most people think and far better operationally than the US, at least the larger eastern US cities with which I am familiar. |
I'd like to see the B-717. I just feel better knowing it says Boeing on it. I'd get the same bad feeling I'd get driving an Isizu on the ranch lol.
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
(Post 139427)
I'd like to see the B-717. I just feel better knowing it says Boeing on it. I'd get the same bad feeling I'd get driving an Isizu on the ranch lol.
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Originally Posted by Linebacker35
(Post 139372)
Ya Airbus is in trouble..... they only got 1000+ orders to ship out right now for the 320 family
Airbus has proven they are in control of that sized market, and guess what there are a bunch of US fleet renewals comming up for that size range! American: 327 MD80s, United: 94 737-300/500's....... UA will almost surely renew with 320's NWA: 115 DC9's.... could be 115 A318 to complement their existing 320 fleet US air: 96 737-300/400.... US air seems to also be favoring airbus Delta and continental will definetly not go with airbuses, they stick to boeing. That is a possible another 630 A320 family orders in the next few years!!!!!! It would be more if the said airlines replace their 757's with A321's... tho i dont see this happening, the 757's are amazing planes still. They only had money to develop ONE next-gen airplane...and they blew it on that gigantic white elephant wich appears to have niche-market value only. I suspect euro-pride had something to do with that decision, ie desire to have the biggest airplane :rolleyes: Their solution to the upper mid-range was to warm over the 330 and call it the 350...well the industry didn't want old technology and now they have to go back and actually develop a NEW airplane to compete $$$$$$$$$$ Massive design delays on the A400M, the 380 production debacle (with canx orders), and the need to re-design the 350 are the elements of a perfect storm...the EU won't let them go BK of course, but they are in a world of hurt. The A320 serise is the only thing they have going for them, but it's old technology :eek: Several major airlines (including AA) are already showing signs of bypassing A320/737 technology and waiting for the NEXT gen narrow-body...who's going to have the technology and experience to deliver that? The same folks who are bringing you the 787... ;) |
One of the reasons Airbus is bumping up it's production on the A320 is to bring in the capital to develope the technology needed to produce the A350. They're a little behind in composites on a plane of that size. Since Boeing is already pushing production of composite tubes, my money is on them for the next generation narrowbody. When they do that, it may give them the positioning they need to corner that sector of the market as well. Don't forget, China has announced it's intention to enter the market as well. Probably more than 10 years out, but something to consider.
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Originally Posted by Schnides
(Post 139465)
One of the reasons Airbus is bumping up it's production on the A320 is to bring in the capital to develope the technology needed to produce the A350. They're a little behind in composites on a plane of that size. Since Boeing is already pushing production of composite tubes, my money is on them for the next generation narrowbody. When they do that, it may give them the positioning they need to corner that sector of the market as well. Don't forget, China has announced it's intention to enter the market as well. Probably more than 10 years out, but something to consider.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 139445)
Actually they ARE in deep doo-doo, both short-term (operational screw-ups) and long-term (strategic screw-ups)...
They only had money to develop ONE next-gen airplane...and they blew it on that gigantic white elephant wich appears to have niche-market value only. I suspect euro-pride had something to do with that decision, ie desire to have the biggest airplane :rolleyes: Their solution to the upper mid-range was to warm over the 330 and call it the 350...well the industry didn't want old technology and now they have to go back and actually develop a NEW airplane to compete $$$$$$$$$$ Massive design delays on the A400M, the 380 production debacle (with canx orders), and the need to re-design the 350 are the elements of a perfect storm...the EU won't let them go BK of course, but they are in a world of hurt. The A320 serise is the only thing they have going for them, but it's old technology :eek: Several major airlines (including AA) are already showing signs of bypassing A320/737 technology and waiting for the NEXT gen narrow-body...who's going to have the technology and experience to deliver that? The same folks who are bringing you the 787... ;) And I do believe that this composite construction on the 787 was the same idea as their JSF, which failed horribably. All the problems with the Boeing JSF appeared right in the middle of assembly when they relized they tried to make to many technological jumps at once. So once the 787 is ready to fly then I will believe the hype. Yes the 320 is starting to become out of date, but boeing is just catching up to that technology now. Airbus has begun research into a new narrow body aircraft, as has boeing.... both sides have said its not practicle until new engines are developed. On a side note, lots of people critisize airbus for the "bandaid" solution of the original 350........ is that not EXACTLY what boeing did with the 737NG line... |
OK, so I realize that my last post was a little crude. I just couldn't help myself, though...:)
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Originally Posted by saab2000
(Post 139425)
Have you ever lived in or worked in Europe? Work ethic there is no less than in the US. . . . .
"The image of French work ethics is mediocre (this is an understatement....) : 35-hour work week law, constant strikes, 5 to 8 weeks vacation, early retirement etc... Only in France can you work so few hours/year compared with other countries (the difference between France and the USA is on average 330 hours/year)." "People work less in Europe because there’s no direct benefit in working more and earning more: painful progressive taxation is the disincentive which in turn has allowed governments to fund generous programs that serve as a safety net for many working and non-working Europeans. As a result the incentive to hoard for a rainy day is less; there is a nice blanket that ensures one’s security in case work derived revenues dry up. Now I know that drastic cuts are being implemented in some European countries, but it’s not too hard to note the huge divergence between US and European entitlements. This economic phenomenon has spawned a culture that has: (a) created a workforce that has grown accustomed to a certain level of wealth which can be attained with a reasonable but not excessive amount of work; (b) allowed a culture wherein individual gratification is far more focused on leisure activities and not work (the infamous 35-hour workweek); (c) made it easier to abandon religion as a spiritual guide which is now more easily achieved by the individual who is economically secure and free to pursue whatever interests he or she has. " |
Originally Posted by careerpilot
(Post 138870)
I think it is American Eagle. They are the only ones not in the big RJ market.
UH, Eagle has 70 seaters. The only regionals that aren't whoring themselves out in the big RJ market are Air Whiskey and XJET. |
Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
(Post 139197)
heard a rumor(take it just as that), that there are talks of usair selling their 190's and future orders to RAH. it would be almost deja vu of mid atlantic.:eek:
That would be an absolute disaster. We should all hope and pray that NEVER happens! |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 139504)
UH, Eagle has 70 seaters. The only regionals that aren't whoring themselves out in the big RJ market are Air Whiskey and XJET.
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Originally Posted by detc
(Post 139514)
And Air Wisconsin has been doing soooo well with all their RFP's for routes...
<Massive sarcasm> |
I thought 'whoring out' referred to they weren't trying to get into the 51+ seat market.
I misunderstood, my bad. I do know a FO who is leaving Whiskey for Mesaba though. QOL |
Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
(Post 139497)
Sorry. I should have been more specific.
"The image of French work ethics is mediocre (this is an understatement....) : 35-hour work week law, constant strikes, 5 to 8 weeks vacation, early retirement etc... Only in France can you work so few hours/year compared with other countries (the difference between France and the USA is on average 330 hours/year)." "People work less in Europe because there’s no direct benefit in working more and earning more: painful progressive taxation is the disincentive which in turn has allowed governments to fund generous programs that serve as a safety net for many working and non-working Europeans. As a result the incentive to hoard for a rainy day is less; there is a nice blanket that ensures one’s security in case work derived revenues dry up. Now I know that drastic cuts are being implemented in some European countries, but it’s not too hard to note the huge divergence between US and European entitlements. This economic phenomenon has spawned a culture that has: (a) created a workforce that has grown accustomed to a certain level of wealth which can be attained with a reasonable but not excessive amount of work; (b) allowed a culture wherein individual gratification is far more focused on leisure activities and not work (the infamous 35-hour workweek); (c) made it easier to abandon religion as a spiritual guide which is now more easily achieved by the individual who is economically secure and free to pursue whatever interests he or she has. " |
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